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Buses in JFK's Dallas Motorcade (1963)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:


A point worth pondering:

I wonder why the White House was using CONTINENTAL TRAILWAYS instead of GREYHOUND?



"NYO"


I can’t say for certain, but the fact that Continental had its headquarters right there in Dallas, had a larger route network in Texas, and a larger fleet in the area, as well as probably very well connected with Texas politicians, all may have had some bearing…
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

I had forgotten that TRAILWAYS had their HQ in Dallas; that, indeed, could have very well been one of the deciding figures here, that, and, as you said, the company night have had strong ties with Texas politicians..............

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding Dallas and SGL:

".....effective January 1, 1932, SOUTHWESTERN abandoned it service west of Dallas, turning passenger over to SOUTHLAND instead, and listed the Missouri Pacific's exiting Memphis-Brinkley run in its timetable as connections instead of stating through trips at Memphis. Through St. Louis-Memphis-Dallas service was still operated......."

"........according to a January, 1939, SWG system timetable showed both SWG and LEE WAY running over the Amarillo-Raton route (SWG had purchased this route from LEE WAY in May, 1940) TRAILWAYS timetables also showed LEE WAY's Amarillo-Albuquerque trips at that time, linking BOWEN MOTOR COACHES (Dallas-Wichita-Amarillo) with SANTA FE TRAIL TRANSPORTATION CO........"

(info from an old issue of MOTOR COACH AGE, dealing with the history of SGL)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recall, also, that, by the early 1970's, EAGLE production had moved to Brownsville, Texas, where CONTINENTAL TRAILWAYS had opened its new bus building factory.

In the late 1950's, a new TRAILWAYS terminal opened in Houston, covering a half-block........

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick inquiry:

In November, 1963, did GREYHOUND and/or TRAILWAYS offer direct through service between Dallas and Washington DC, or was a change of buses required at some point, en route?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further on GREYHOUND (to Dallas)......

From my archives, I was just consulting a January, 1957 "EASTERN GREYHOUND (Transcontinental TT) and also came across a page (with route diagram) for "THE OLD HICKORY ROUTE" (East Coast-Memphis-Los Angeles)

Cities served:

NEW YORK

WASHINGTON

RICHMOND

NORFOLK

ROANOKE

KNOXVILLE

BIRMINGHAM

ATLANTA

NASHVILLE

MEMPHIS

DALLAS

EL PASO

LO ANGELES

SAN DIEGO

The way the line map is shown, there was a "loop", if you will, branching off the "main line", serving Richmond and Norfolk.

Between Knoxville and Memphis, there was a "cut off" which served Nashville.

At El Paso, one line went to Los Angeles, while the other continued on to San Diego.

The cover of this 1957 TT shows a SCENICRUISER; the cover also informs us that the buses ran via:

NEW JERSEY TURNPIKE

PENNSYLVANIA TURNPIKE

OHIO TURNPIKE

INDIANA TURNPIKE

NEW YORK STATE THRUWAY

OKLAHOMA'S TURNER TURNPIKE

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....in a 1952 "TECHE GREYHOUND" tt, one "line map" for "THE MISSION TRAIL ROUTE" (Miami-Los Angeles/San Diego) lists the following cities:

MIAMI

JACKSONVILLE

LAKE CITY

TALLAHASSEE

MARIANNA

PENSACOLA

MOBILE

NEW ORLEANS

LAKE CHARLES

HOUSTON

SAN ANTONIO

DALLAS

FORT WORTH

EL PASO

PHOENIX

SAN DIEGO

LOS ANGELES

On the "line map", there is a "split" between Houston and El Paso; one line serves Dallas and Fort Worth, while the other line serves San Antonio......

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

......the following is from a SOUTHERN KANSAS GREYHOUND LINES tt (1950); an ACF-BRILL IC-41 on the cover......

"MINNEAPOLIS-KANSAS CITY-LAWRENCE-INDEPENDENCE-TULSA-DALLAS-MEXICO CITY"

(SWG and DMC [CONTINENTAL DIXIE LINES] connections at Dallas)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Historic intercity bus routes in Texas (maps/links).......

www.chicagorailfan.com/greyhrtx.html
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TMN&O maps........

www.chicagorailfan.com/greyitno.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CENTRAL TEXAS BUS LINES maps (1948/1976).........

www.chicagorailfan.com/greyictb.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Quick inquiry:

In November, 1963, did GREYHOUND and/or TRAILWAYS offer direct through service between Dallas and Washington DC, or was a change of buses required at some point, en route?

"NYO"


I don't have easy access to my "archives", to see exactly what services were offered at that time, but both companies had thru services at some times...

Trailways had several routes...American Buslines operated via Pittsburgh, Columbus, Indianapolis, St. Louis, and Oklahoma City, although by 1963 you would have to make one or two changes enroute between Washington and Dallas. Trailways carrier's did pool together to offer thru service between the two via Roanoke, Bristol, Knoxville, Nashville, Memphis, Little Rock, and Texarkana. Another thru route was via Richmond, Raleigh, Columbia, Augusta, Macon, Montgomery, Jackson, and Shreveport. Trailways also had some variations on the two southern routes, as this was the heart of the National Trailways network.
Greyhound also had a choice of northern and southern routes, which were a little different along the way from the Trailways routes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

As always, greatly appreciate the historical input! Wink

Houston, also, comes to mind; who can forget, back in the days of the Apollo, Gemini, and Mercury space missions, that "Mission Control" was in Houston?

This city, many years back, also had to have had a good-sized intercity bus base.

I know, in the early years of bus travel in Texas, Houston had been served by buses of SOUTH TEXAS COACHES.

STC service also connected San Antonio, Gonzalez, and Bryan.

During 1930, SOUTHLAND GREYHOUND's improvement program saw the opening of new, modern terminals in several Texas cities, as well as new garages in Houston, San Antonio, and Fort Worth.

Allocated only 35 of the 1000 Silversides that were to be built in 1947, SGL put five ACF-BRILL IC-41's on the Dallas-Fort Worth-San Antonio-Corpus Chriti route.

These ACF-BRILL coaches were followed by fifteen more, running between Houston, Dallas, and El Paso.

There were also several restroom-equipped IC-41's, which operated in a Houston-New Orleans pool with TECHE.........

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"ARROW COACH LINES" (1948 map)..........

www.chicagorailfan.com/greyiact.html


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"BAYGENT COACHES" (1948 map)

("THE BIG BEND ROUTE")

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