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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
This scene is from Chicago Motor Coach… the Queen Mary has a three digit fleet number whereas Fifth Avenue Coach had four digit numbers.

Not to mention route 53 was a CMC route!


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No picture? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It still amazes me as to how long so many prewar YELLOW buses (non-Old Look style) survived into the 1950's.

As I've said previously elsewhere, IMHO, I think that FACCo would have retired all of the old open-top buses earlier than 1946, had WW2 not broken out.

Had this been the case, I can see FACCo purchasing enough Old Look YELLOWS to replace the double-deckers at least several years before they were actually retired.

FACCo, of course, was indeed the "big league player", bus-wise, in "Noo Yawk", back in the day.

NYO was then operating a single-deck fleet, and, the handful of double-deckers (three axle) operated by SURFACE for some years were later cut down to single-deck configuration.

Not surprisingly, FACCo operated the first air-conditioned transit bus in the city (#3100), albeit as an experimental; quite a distinction for those days......

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This scene is from Chicago Motor Coach… the Queen Mary has a three digit fleet number whereas Fifth Avenue Coach had four digit numbers.

Not to mention route 53 was a CMC route!

https://www.imcdb.org/i527564.jpg
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some truly magnificent 1950's color photos of "Noo Yawk" (Herald Square, with buses, is also represented here)

Be sure to notice, also, the vintage vehicles, long-obsolete street signage, etc.....indeed, these photos are a glimpse into a lost city, and, also, a lost world......

https://flashbak.com/mid-century-manhattan-1950s-new-york-city-in-kodakchrome-443266/

(Note that, in the top photo, Disney's "MELODY TIME" was on the bill at the ASTOR; this animated classic was released in 1948, and featured the story of "Little Toot", sung by the Andrews Sisters) Wink


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#2667, easily one of the most handsome and distinctive buses to ever operate in "Noo Yawk"....... Very Happy

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/759841768352745452/

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
here are some truly magnificent 1950's color photos of "Noo Yawk" (Herald Square, with buses, is also represented here)

Be sure to notice, also, the vintage vehicles, long-obsolete street signage, etc.....indeed, these photos are a glimpse into a lost city, and, also, a lost world......

https://flashbak.com/mid-century-manhattan-1950s-new-york-city-in-kodakchrome-443266/

(Note that, in the top photo, Disney's "MELODY TIME" was on the bill at the ASTOR; this animated classic was released in 1948, and featured the story of "Little Toot", sung by the Andrews Sisters) Wink

The "Ruppert" ad as such dated to mid-to-late 1946 (and the zipper, with a major alteration, would be used from 1952 until 1965 in conjunction with the "Admiral Television Appliances" billboard in that very spot, the Miss Youth Form ad atop the Brill Building dated to 1947 though the zipper itself (144 x 14) was first installed in 1945 after V-J Day, the 3-D Kinsey whiskey billboard dated to '47, and later that year was when the Chevrolet ad atop the Studebaker Building at 48th and Broadway would be first installed and turned on (and remain through 1963).

Miss Youth Form remained there through about 1950, and the zipper would be mostly silent until Budweiser and the Clydesdale horses settled there in '53. Both zippers (plus one for the RKO Palace Theatre which was installed in '45 but would only be operational till 1948) bore fonts indicating controls by Trans-Lux' "Adcast" system of transmitting-perforating. Under such a zipper four bulbs were used for one pixel, thus a 5 x 7 font was blown up to 10 x 14.

Kinsey would be replaced by early '52 by another whiskey who would settle in for a long run, through 1976 (although a major mod would be effected in the latter part of 1969): Canadian Club.

Though not seen in that pic, 1948 was also the year a zipper covering the whole of Broadway from 44th to 45th Street was installed and first put into operation atop the building housing both Bond Clothing Store and what was then the Loew's Criterion Theatre. Initially 6,944 bulbs - a 496 x 14 array - the initial controls were by Trans-Lux. Then when Pepsi began advertising above the roof of that building in 1955, an unknown entity began powering the zipper (which covered the period then-WABD Channel 5 operated it), followed in 1958 by WCBS-TV after which the zipper's controls passed to Naxon Telesign. Their boxy font created some issues in some circles that would lead, when that company was assigned to provide controls for the replacement zipper at One Times Square once that building was reclad in marble as the Allied Chemical Tower, to them creating a display font that could be used on zippers like that on that one which was built at 11 rows high (with the top, center and bottom rows singular and the middle ones doubled-up).

Oh, the Bond zipper itself. Once the Mutual Broadcasting System assumed control of that zipper in late 1965, 33 columns were shaved from 45th Street, and 38 from 44th Street, paring it down to 425 x 14, or 5,950 bulbs.

And of course, the bus companies whose routes passed along Times Square in that period. NYC Omnibus for Seventh Avenue, Surface for Broadway.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
#2667, easily one of the most handsome and distinctive buses to ever operate in "Noo Yawk"....... Very Happy

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/759841768352745452/

["6 BROADWAY"]

That picture had to be taken in 1960. The ad racks were added on by that time; no doubt when this and the 89 others of this lot for FACL (not to mention ST's 40) first arrived on the property there were none.

It also seems to show that 2667 was based out of 54th Street depot, among those buses allotted to the NYCO Division (as opposed to those that went to the FACO Division).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B:

As always, I am, indeed, most impressed by your knowledge of the old electric "spectaculars"; though I certainly do not have your vast knowlege on the subject, I have always been greatly fascinated by them.

Prior to Times Square becoming a "sleaze pit", back in the early and mid-1960's, my older brothers (just prior to their marriages) my folks, and Your's Truly would board a NHBL #5 on our corner (13th St. and Hudson Boulevard) in Union City for a 15-minute ride into the "Port-Of-Authority" (I wouldn't visit the PABT today unless I had a fully-armed SWAT team with me)

We'd walk up 42nd Street (LOTS of SURFACE buses!) and pass all the brightly-lit arcades, souvenier and camera shops and snack bars and then, literally, just "bask in the ambience" of Times Square's huge electric displays, flashing, blinking, and glittering.

That, coupled with the sights and sounds of all the buses and multi-colored taxis, the crowds of hurrying people, all made a tremendous impression on Your's Truly!

NEVER a reason to feel ill-at-ease, or leery, unlike nowadays.

In later years, when I was working way downtown, I avoided the Times Square area like the plague; when the famed "news zipper" finally vanished (what a loss) it removed the last vestige of the old days.

The huge electronic signs that now dominate Times Square leave me cold; in no way could they ever hope to match the "classic era" spectaculars that so intriguied me as a youngster, 60-odd years ago........

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this nostalgic, long-ago scene from the early 60's, we see veteran FACCo #2320 (a 1947 TDH-4507) "on the job" (unlike today's slithering mutant caterpillars and giant milk cartons, THESE were REAL buses, indeed!!!) Very Happy

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/531213718539065603/

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was VERY fortunate to come across this rare FACCo "driver's eye view", taken circa-1940 (WHAT A VIEW!) Shocked Very Happy

www.fulltable.com/VTS/f/fortune//xa/72.jpg

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a classic scene from the 1950's, with the mighty Hell Gate Bridge in the background..... Wink

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/460211655668749086/
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Was VERY fortunate to come across this rare FACCo "driver's eye view", taken circa-1940 (WHAT A VIEW!) Shocked Very Happy

www.fulltable.com/VTS/f/fortune//xa/72.jpg

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Does look almost like a forerunner of the view that drivers of Fishbowls would later be witness to, no?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
In this nostalgic, long-ago scene from the early 60's, we see veteran FACCo #2320 (a 1947 TDH-4507) "on the job" (unlike today's slithering mutant caterpillars and giant milk cartons, THESE were REAL buses, indeed!!!) Very Happy

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/531213718539065603/

["GO THE MOTOR COACH WAY"]

Definitely after 1960, given the ad racks and 'FIFTH AVENUE COACH LINES INC.' on the sides.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
In this nostalgic, long-ago scene from the early 60's, we see veteran FACCo #2320 (a 1947 TDH-4507) "on the job" (unlike today's slithering mutant caterpillars and giant milk cartons, THESE were REAL buses, indeed!!!) Very Happy

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/531213718539065603/

["GO THE MOTOR COACH WAY"]

Definitely after 1960, given the ad racks and 'FIFTH AVENUE COACH LINES INC.' on the sides.


W.B.:

Agreed; going by the autos in the background, this scene easily dated to the very early 1960's.

Unlike today's hi-tech caterpillars and milk cartons, buses like #2320 could "take a lickin', and keep on tickin' "! Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile, back in Da Bronx, a long, long time ago*....... Wink

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/330944272588389464/

*(Also, note the totally-deserted streets)

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