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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
In a strong sense, FACCo was "more of the future" than London; at the time the "Queen Mary" buses were entering service, rear-engine double-deckers were were still far into the future in London.

Once the last open-top FACCo double-decker were retired in 1946, FACCo now rostered a fleet where all buses had rear-mounted engines.

It would not be until the 1960's that rear-engined double-deckers appeared on the streets of London........

"NYO"

And that was before interests tied to GM got their hands on FACCo . . . interesting that once that happened, the buses FACCo got came primarily from Yellow Coach . . .
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

In the "GENERAL"/"LT" fleets, builder-wise, there was little standardization throughout the years.

You had bus CHASSIS built by certain builders, and bus BODIES built by others.

Chassis-wise, you had, as examples:

AEC

LEYLAND

DAIMLER

DE DION-BOUTON

DENNIS

Body-wise, throughout the decades, you had any of a number of builders; as I'd mentioned earlier, these companies also built bodies for London's Underground (tube) stock.

In fact, some of the earliest (pre-1910) MU tube stock were built by ACF, disassembled, shipped to Great Britain, and then re-assembled, and fitted with British-built bodies.

In fact, ACF eventually opened its own plant in the London area.

To this day, AEC and LEYLAND are still foremost among British bus enthusiasts/historians, much in the same way GM has long been "king of the hill", among "Yank" enthusiasts......

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Metropolitan Police and London's buses:

From the earliest days, the Police have had a strong, solid hold on both buses and bus operations in London.

Over the years, they've banned certain types of transmissions because they were deemed too noisy; they also strictly governed the overall weight of buses, as well as seating capacity, height, and length.

Though some buses over the years had leather straps for standees, most London buses relied on either overhead bars, or, hand-holds on the seat frames.

Florescent lighting did not come to the double-deck fleet until the "RM" (Routemaster) arrived; interestingly, some of the later models reverted back to incandescent lighting.

Though in the interiors of tube trains featured galleries of advertising cards (as was commonplace here at home), the interiors of the buses featured minimal advertising.

Transmission-wise, when one reads about bygone London buses, you'll read of:

Manual transmissions

"Crash" gearboxes

Pre-selective transmissions

Automatic transmissions

Hydraulic transmissions

All quite interesting and complex, without a doubt....

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_Company

Note that, in 1912, DAIMLER sold 350 buses to METROPOLITAN TRAMWAYS; they also sold engines to LGOC ("GENERAL).......
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting article/photos:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulated_buses_in_London

These "bendy" buses no longer operate in London; the articulated vehicles were prone to fires, blocked intersections, and, also, caused a dramatic rise in fare evasion (that last one certainly sounds like "Noo Yawk"!) Rolling Eyes

Though articulated buses are still operated by the MTA (and NJT), they have now vanished from the streets of London; hard to believe a bus this modern has already been retired, with one example preserved.......


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had FACCo still been going strong through the 60's, and into the 70's, perhaps their new double-deckers (or MaBSTOA's) might have been along the lines of the DAIMLER Fleetline* (a number of these now-classic buses are preserved today).....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_Fleetline

*(LT rostered well over 2000 of these buses)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the day, these two companies were among the leading builders of bus bodies in Great Britain......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Royal_Vehicles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Cammell_Weymann
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just imagine if FACCo ever operated a fleet of these flamboyant monsters(!!!!) Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

(be sure to check out the other "most unorthodox" vintage buses on this page!) Wink

https://www.pinterest.es/pin/452048881330278130/
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single-deck FACCo #1030.....

For many, many years, "GENERAL", LT, and GREEN LINE operated single-deck, front-engine buses on many routes, especially those that ran out beyond Central London ("Country Services")

Well into the 1950's, LT was still operating a number of such buses of the "T" class (there were a number of variations of these prewar and early-postwar buses with the "T" class); like the double-deckers, they all had the traditional British half-cab.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156385

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two interesting photo pages of the distinctive "T" class of many decades ago......

www.countrybus.org/T-regal/T.htm (links page)

www.countrybus.org/T-regal/T10.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No longer is "LONDON TRANSPORT" the massive operation that once controlled London's buses and Tubes (Underground)......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_London_bus_services

In a sense, this is a perfect example of history repeating itself; in the early days of the LGOC ("GENERAL") the Company faced much competition from what were then dubbed "pirate" bus companies.

(of course, FACCo faced no such "indy" competition)

Some of those early London "pirate" (private) operators included:

"GENIAL"

"ARROW"

"VANGUARD"

"NATIONAL"

"GREAT EASTERN"

"METROPOLITAN"

"ROAD CAR"

"EXPRESS"

"CENTRAL"
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rear view of FACCo open-topper #1220:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156400

By the time that FACCo was taking delivery of the open-topper YELLOW double-deckers, London's "GENERAL" were taking delivery of the majestic "ST" and "LT" classes.

These new buses had enclosed upper decks; the earliest were equipped with open staircases, while later buses featured enclosed stairs.

In later years, some of the open-staircase buses had the stairs enclosed; others, however, carried them until they were retired in the late 1940's.

Prior to the arrival of the "LT"/"ST" classes, the last open-top, open-staircase buses to be delivered to the LGOC were the "NS"-class of 1923; most of these buses were later upgraded with enclosed upper decks, but still retained their open staircases.

These buses lasted in revenue service until the mid-1930's......

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a page (w/links menu) on the "ST" types; included are photos and drawings......

www.countrybus.org/ST/ST.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The distinctive and majestic six-wheel "LT" class would have been contemporaries to the three-axle double-deckers operated by SURFACE.....

www.countrybus.org/LT/LT.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Rear view of FACCo open-topper #1220:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156400

By the time that FACCo was taking delivery of the open-topper YELLOW double-deckers, London's "GENERAL" were taking delivery of the majestic "ST" and "LT" classes.

These new buses had enclosed upper decks; the earliest were equipped with open staircases, while later buses featured enclosed stairs.

In later years, some of the open-staircase buses had the stairs enclosed; others, however, carried them until they were retired in the late 1940's.

Prior to the arrival of the "LT"/"ST" classes, the last open-top, open-staircase buses to be delivered to the LGOC were the "NS"-class of 1923; most of these buses were later upgraded with enclosed upper decks, but still retained their open staircases.

These buses lasted in revenue service until the mid-1930's......

"NYO"

The numerals shown on the back of the bus would be on the repainted 'Old Looks' in the 'Tee-Yay' / MaBSTOA era, as well as some first-order TA Fishbowls such as #51, and would fall by the wayside once the last of those buses were retired and (mostly) scrapped. They were certainly a fixture of the NYCO fleet.
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