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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious if any of these MSBA Fishbowls were ex-MABSTOA......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156543

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156520

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156518

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSBA "Dangerfields".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156575

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156559

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Dangerfield Jr's" In Huntington, back in the day.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154532

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154531

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Just curious if any of these MSBA Fishbowls were ex-MABSTOA......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156543

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156520

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156518

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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I know the last orders of Fishbowls (the custom T6H-5309's and 5310's) for the 'Em-Tee-Yay' not only encompassed 'Tee-Yay' and MaBSTOA, but also MSBA as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

This must have been quite a hefty order, to say the least.

Quick question:

Was the 165th St. terminal the only location where MSBA passengers could transfer to "Tee-Yay" buses, or was there another point as well where connections could be made?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting picture of Old Look #7105 (sans roller curtain and ad cards) at Merrick & 90th, back in 1971.

Interesting variety of buses in the background, here......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154828

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hillside & Merrick, 1972.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153233

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roosevelt & Main, 1972.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154473

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.:

This must have been quite a hefty order, to say the least.

Quick question:

Was the 165th St. terminal the only location where MSBA passengers could transfer to "Tee-Yay" buses, or was there another point as well where connections could be made?

"NYO"

Maybe at that time. After the Jamaica Center terminus of the E, J and Z opened, I saw MSBA buses there too. Evidently you couldn't transfer between MSBA and MaBSTOA buses (the M/Q32 and late Q89).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironic, in a way......

......that, when FACCo initiated service to Queens (Jackson Heights) in 1925, they utilized single-deck buses.

In later years, they used "low headroom" Queen Mary-types on the #15, only to revert back to single-deck buses with the retirement of the double-deckers.

Of course, the venerable double-deckers had a much higher capacity than any single-deck bus, but, in the end, it was the single-deck bus that became the victor......

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queensboro Plaza (back in the old QB Ry streetcar days) with a "Queen Mary" in the right background.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?46230

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding Old Look retirements.......

From the photos which I've seen on nycsubway.org, the latest views of Old Looks still in service (with the "Em-Tee-Yay") is 1973.

Did the MTA set some sort of "target date"for the replacement of the remaining Old Looks in the fleet?

Here in "Joisey", though the square-window Old Looks, along with the WHITES, MACKS, and ACF-BRILLS were all gone prior to 1970, many Old Looks of late-1940's/1950's vintage were still in service with several Hudson County "indy" companies through the 1970's, and, some lasted into the first part of the 1980's (the very last I remember were a few running on the NHBL's #1, in 1986.

About 1976/1977, many Old Looks, and even a number of older Fishbowls, were put out to pasture when the steady influx of NJDOT "Dangerfields" began arrive in large numbers.

Given this, it is not too far-fetched to envision the "Em-Tee-Yay to be operating at least SOME Old Looks past 1973.......

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Regarding Old Look retirements.......

From the photos which I've seen on nycsubway.org, the latest views of Old Looks still in service (with the "Em-Tee-Yay") is 1973.

Did the MTA set some sort of "target date"for the replacement of the remaining Old Looks in the fleet?

Here in "Joisey", though the square-window Old Looks, along with the WHITES, MACKS, and ACF-BRILLS were all gone prior to 1970, many Old Looks of late-1940's/1950's vintage were still in service with several Hudson County "indy" companies through the 1970's, and, some lasted into the first part of the 1980's (the very last I remember were a few running on the NHBL's #1, in 1986.

About 1976/1977, many Old Looks, and even a number of older Fishbowls, were put out to pasture when the steady influx of NJDOT "Dangerfields" began arrive in large numbers.

Given this, it is not too far-fetched to envision the "Em-Tee-Yay to be operating at least SOME Old Looks past 1973.......

"NYO"

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If any Old Look survived past 1973, I shudder to think about how the two-tone blue scheme would have been incorporated - lighter on the top, darker on the bottom?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Not only that, but one can only imagine what the Old Looks might have endured, if they were still in service when the graffiti epidemic went into high gear....it would NOT have been pretty......no, sir Sad

BTW:

What buses replaced the last Old Looks....Fishbowls, or "Dangerfields"?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.:

Not only that, but one can only imagine what the Old Looks might have endured, if they were still in service when the graffiti epidemic went into high gear....it would NOT have been pretty......no, sir Sad

BTW:

What buses replaced the last Old Looks....Fishbowls, or "Dangerfields"?

"NYO"

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In a sense, both. In 1969-70, the A/C Flxies came as the last Old Looks to do service in "da Bronx" were being transitioned to the transit equivalent of a glue factory. And the 1972-73 custom Fishbowl order came as the last of the 'Tee-Yay' 1957-58 Old Looks were being gradually put out to pasture. Of course, the last Fishbowls ever built for the 'Em-Tee-Yay' - 4860-4919 - all went to Kingsbridge depot, enabling the last of the 1960 FACL and ST Fishbowls to be finally retired.
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