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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2423 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:48 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Note the placement of these SMALL numbers sported by this ex-ORANGE & BLACK Fishbowl......
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["7-CLIFFSIDE PARK VIA WEEHAWKEN"] |
Old 'Inter City Lines' brown and orange Fishbowls had the same arrangement for their bus numbers on the front.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22675 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:29 am Post subject: |
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W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Note the placement of these SMALL numbers sported by this ex-ORANGE & BLACK Fishbowl......
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["7-CLIFFSIDE PARK VIA WEEHAWKEN"] |
Old 'Inter City Lines' brown and orange Fishbowls had the same arrangement for their bus numbers on the front. |
W.B.:
See.....
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156417
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156411
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*I think you and I can both agree that the numbers used on ORANGE & BLACK and INTER-CITY Fishbowls were LESS than prominent!
When I was a kid in Union City, INTER-CITY's #97 ran right by our old apartment house; no Fishbowls (the #97, like DE CAMP's long-defunct #22) was treated as a "stepchild" for many years (this route did not serve "Noo Yawk") and thus the company's oldest buses were relegated to these lines.
On the #97, through much of the 1960's, I well recall an electric collection of WHITES (two models), ACF-BRILLS, and Old Look suburbans (what a colorful parade of classic buses to be savored, by a certain young bus enthusiast!)
Timetable covers touted "The Brown Bus With The Orange Band" for years.......
"NYO"
["The Brown Bus With The Orange Band"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22675 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:37 am Post subject: |
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SOMERSET's* ("BLUE STAR ROUTE") Fishbowls (and Old Looks) displayed numbers that were, clearly, more prominent that, say, the Fishbowls of O&B and INTER-CITY........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154522
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154519
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*(SOMERSET's buses were always particularly handsome, in their distinctive paint!)
["The Blue Star Route"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Quite awhile back in this discussion, we'd briefly discussed the three-axle double-deckers that were operated by SURFACE; from what I have heard, these buses were not all that long in retaining their original configurations, before being cut down to single-deck buses.
Am curious, too, as to why SURFACE decided to purchase double-deckers in the first place (was it operating costs that caused SURFACE to
"chop" these unique buses?
I was always a bit surprised that FACCo never purchased them from ST, and continue to operate them as double-deckers.....
"NYO"
["Surface Transportation"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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......the other thing I do find interesting is while SURFACE, for a time, operated three-axle double-deckers, "Big Brother" FACCo never did.
Meanwhile in London, from the late 1920's and into the early 1950's, three-axle double-deckers ("LT"-types) were rostered in large numbers........
"NYO"
["55 CHISWICK STN"]
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2423 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:25 am Post subject: |
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What company made those three-axle double-deckers? I suppose it wasn't Yellow? I know with few exceptions, FACCo, 99% of the time, went with Yellow and successor GM Truck & Coach.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:09 am Post subject: |
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W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | What company made those three-axle double-deckers? I suppose it wasn't Yellow? I know with few exceptions, FACCo, 99% of the time, went with Yellow and successor GM Truck & Coach. |
W.B.:
I have only one photo of one of ST's three-axle buses (after it had been cut down to a single-decker) in "ACROSS NEW YORK BY TROLLEY"(Kramer)
The (1930's?) photo shows the bus at the NYC's 138th St. station, laying over before it starts again up the Grand Concourse (bus # is 121, and, the photo caption states it was built in 1929)
As to what company built these buses, I can only guess, though I do favor YELLOW; recall, also, that ACF and FAGEOL also built double-deckers during the 1920's.....several US cities (including Philadelphia, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, and Cleveland also operated double-deckers)
YELLOW built 12 69-seat double-deckers for Baltimore's "UNITED" in 1930.
I've also seen photos of three-axle double-deckers operating in Cleveland......
"NYO"
["Surface Tansportation"]
(I also have two (HEAVY!) three-axle cast iron toy double-deckers in my collection)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22675 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:20 am Post subject: |
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What we have here was obviously the LARGEST three-axle double-decker to built here in the States*.....
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/554787247837355024/
*Be sure to check out the other interesting photos in this page!
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Imagine if SURFACE operated FOUR-axle monsters such as this fearsome-looking Montreal example??
This monster HAD to have been a BEAST to handle, for sure!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtl-ptp/5932090143/
["Montreal Tramways"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 am Post subject: |
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As I had mentioned earlier, for decades, three-axle double-deckers ("LT"-type) were seen on virtually every London street.
Except for the die-hard British bus enthusiasts of that era in and around London back then, you could not readily identify a COMPLETE unit, as such.
Recall, in those days, the chassis for London's buses came from several builders, including:
AEC
LEYLAND
GUY
BRISTOL
DAIMLER
DENNIS
The bus bodies, also, were built by a number of different manufacturers; you might, for instance, see a bus approaching your stop, sporting a METRO-CAMMELL body riding on a LEYLAND chassis.
Or, a WEYMANN body atop a DAIMLER chassis.
After the last of the veteran "LT" types were retired in the early 50's, LT never went back to three-axle buses or coaches.
Recall, also, LT's once-vast three-axle trolleybus fleet.
Many single-deck suburban buses/coaches also used three axles for years, beginning in the later 1930's, such as the "LTC"-types.......
"NYO"
["28-Colman St. to Euston Stn. Only"]
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MaBSTOA 15
Age: 70 Joined: 27 Feb 2013 Posts: 1059
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding the tandem-axle double decker buses purchased by Surface Transportation… they were manufactured by a firm called Six-Wheel Company. They existed between 1924 and 1928 and were built in Philadelphia. They also built tandem axle trucks.
The bus bodies were built by Kulhman, St Louis Car. Fitzgibbon, Lang and others. The Surface bodies were built by Wolfington, Fitzgibbon, Lang, and Kulhman.
See the attached production record as well as the Six-Wheel Specifications (Motor Coach Age, January-February 1990).
Surface’s start-up fleet (1927) of tandem axle buses were: 26 double-deckers, 36 single-deckers from Six-Wheel and and 28 single-decker from Versare. However, by 1933, Surface began to cut down the double-deckers and many found their way to their subsidiary in Westchester County.
(Fifth Avenue Coach at first built their own double-deckers and then purchased them from Yellow/GMC, a lifelong commitment!)
BTW, Surface also purchased other tandem axle buses, single-deckers, from Versare Corp. These were really weird looking!
By 1939, Surface had retired all tandem axle buses!
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MaBSTOA 15
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More views of the Six-Wheel single deckers
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Six Wheel production list and Specification Sheet
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