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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:27 am    Post subject: "Tee-Yay" bus radios/communications Reply with quote

Fellows:

This might have been discussed at some point in the past here, but I am curious as to when two-way radios began to be used on New York buses (I know that subway motorman had radios back in the 60's)

When did the "Tee-Yay" first begin to look into two-way communications with bus drivers? How did this technology evolve over the years?

In Great Britain, London Transport was experimenting with "radio control" for its buses as early as 1946.

Appreciate info, as always.........

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT SYSTEM: BUS & TROLLEY COACH FLEET" (Greller) there is a late-1960's era photo on page #98 of a 9000-series Old Look (#9054), working a Staten Island route, with a "bubble" on the roof (the caption states: "....on the roof is the bubble cover for the communication antenna....."

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another quick question:

Was there a "central control" for the bus radios? (was it located at the same location where subway radio communications were transmitted, or was there a separate facility for bus operations?)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishbowl roof "bubbles".......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153362

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154897

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154885

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153377

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

Earlier, I'd mentioned the photo of Old Look #9054 sporting one of thee roof "bubbles"; in the nycsubway.org bus photo galleries, the later Old Look photos I've come across fail to show any Old Looks so equipped; nor could I find any "9000"-series Old Look photos.

According to the aforementioned Greller book, the newest Old Looks purchased by the "Tee Yay" were the 9000's (TDH-5106) purchased in 1958......

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the "roof bubbles" began showing up on MaBSTOA fleets round that same time if not afterward . . .

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153861

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156209

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155834

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154106

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155827

(courtesy nycsubway.org)

Looking at photos of the period, looks like the only 'OA' buses that didn't have the "roof bubbles" were those out of 12th Street depot. The others sure did (in order of photo appearance: 132nd Street, 146th Street, 54th Street, 100th Street and Amsterdam).

And from the 'Tee-Yay' side, looks like the earliest pics with those thingies on top were from 1971.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

As I had stated earlier, I've only seen one photo showing an Old Look (9000-series) equipped with a roof "bubble" (as seen in the Greller book); the photo caption states that the photo was snapped on Staten Island (it looks like the bus is either on Bay St. or Hylan Boulvevard; no date is given, but, by the cars, it looks to be about 1970)

Unless I am wrong, I'm guessing that other 9000's were also equipped with the communications "bubble" on the roof (unless with was an "experiment" of sorts, which I doubt)

I'm guessing there must be other photos of Old Looks so equipped, but, AFAIK, I cannot recall seeing any other elsewhere.

As the last of the Old Looks were gone from the "Em-Tee-Yay" fleet by the early 70's, it would seem to me that, if radio equipment was installed in the Old Looks, it would have to be in only the newest of the type.....

"NYO"

(also, appreciate the info on the photos)Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more pics.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154762

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154571

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153217

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153375

(courtesy: nycubwaay.org)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153838

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153834

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153826

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just came across this 1970 photo of a 9000-series Old Look on Staten Island; note there is no roof "bubble"; perhaps, then, my earlier assumption was incorrect, and that #9054 was only fitted with the radio equipment experimentally.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154946

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Tee-Yay" green Flexies........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153943

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153944

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....it's obvious that communications "bubbles" were not installed on MaBSTOA Old Looks (after all, they'd soon be retired).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153792

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153797

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radio antennas on SMEE equipment......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2857

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3738

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4621

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found a photo. Here is Old Look 9000 with an antenna cover at St. George Terminal taken September 6, 1971 by Joe Testagrose.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B53RICH:

GREAT photo; thanks for sharing here! Wink

In these days of texting, smartphones, tweeting, etc., we all take communications between bus/train operators and "command centers", depot, etc. for granted.

Back in the day, it indeed had to be a "sign of the future" when buses began to be equipped with two-way radios (I have a 1940's/early 1950's toy taxi in my collection with "RADIO CAB" on its sides and trunk)

It had to be interesting, to say the least, when subway radios were being toyed with (recall, the trains, for the most part, ran underground), so it would seem that signals had to be much stronger than those received by bus radios.......

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more "Tee-Yay" green buses w/roof "bubble"........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154690

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153367

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154612

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