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Old Look Twilight on 5th Avenue
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in 1970, MaBSTOA Old Look #3100, now clearly OOS, patiently awaits scrapping as it contemplates "the good old days" of serving the riding public (note some sort of ticket under the near wiper) while slumbering in the Coliseum Garage yard

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154066

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a happier scene from that same year (1970) we see #3100's running mate #2682 ("the bus with the sign that sticks out in the front"!) in service, at 5th Avenue and 34th St.

Time was indeed running out for thee classic buses.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153797

(courtey: nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Here, at the Queens Village station, two Old Looks (TDH-5106's, built 1957) are seen awaiting their respective departure times.

These buses were (according to "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT SYSTEM: BUS & TROLLEY COACH FLEET", by James Clifford Greller) these were the first "Tee-Yay" purchased to be furnished with pink fiberglass seats.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154833

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The reason having to do with the drive to combat seat vandalism. It's why when the R-26 and R-28 subway cars were built, they too were fitted with fiberglass seats. Refresh my memory, but didn't the 1958-59 FACL and ST Old Looks with the distinctive front sign box also have fiberglass seats at the outset (ditto for the last Macks built for ST in '58 )?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

According to the aforementioned Greller book, the 6000-series MACK C-49's (1956) eventually had their cushioned seats replaced by plastic/fiberglass.

Interestingly, the MACKS that ran in Brooklyn sported green plastic seating, while those assigned to Staten Island routes had pink plastic/fiberglass seats.

Recall, also, that, as the 1960's progressed, the oldest subway cars (those still furnished with rattan (or leather) seat cushions also were re-equipped with fiberglass/plastic seating (NOT at all conducive for a comfortable ride, you may be sure!) Confused

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

See these (bus) interior photos......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156947

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155936

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155939

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Subway car seating through the years (rattan/leather/hard plastic)..........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7134

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?6452

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?6426

https://www.nyscubway.org/perl/show?2259

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2412

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?41324

https://www.nyscubway.org/perl/show?3296

http://www.nycsubwaay.org/perl/show?3317

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4679

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(By the 1960's, some prewar cars featured a combination of rattan and leather cushions; back in 1982, I remember riding on a prewar Broad St. Subway car in Philadelphia, and noticed that the red-leather seat cushion I was sitting on had a rip in it, revealing a rattan cushion underneath).......

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More (vintage) bus seating......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155935

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155306

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156848

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155948

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154364

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154362

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155934

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155937

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B…. Neither the last old looks, with the protruding sign box, nor the fishbowls purchased by Fifth Avenue Coach & Surface Transit came with plastic seats. Likewise, the ten Mack C-49s of 1958 that Surface bought did not have plastic seats. They all had upholstered seats like those in 3100 but not the same ugly combination.

In fact the the C-49, TDH-5106 and the a/c fishbowls had lounge seats after the rear door all the way around to the emergency door.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15:

Here in "Joisey", back in the day, I can recall only a few Old Looks having hard plastic seating; however, despite the fact that most Fishbowls that I remember had upholstered seating, quite a few also had hard plastic seats (these were mostly the "transit" models)

First to come to mind were the "semi suburban" types that were part of the ORANGE & BLACK fleet (these were single-door buses)

NJT was still using these buses well into the 1980's.

These buses had pink plastic seating; a number of the NHBL Fishbowls also had plastic seating.......

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
W.B…. Neither the last old looks, with the protruding sign box, nor the fishbowls purchased by Fifth Avenue Coach & Surface Transit came with plastic seats. Likewise, the ten Mack C-49s of 1958 that Surface bought did not have plastic seats. They all had upholstered seats like those in 3100 but not the same ugly combination.

In fact the the C-49, TDH-5106 and the a/c fishbowls had lounge seats after the rear door all the way around to the emergency door.

Hmm. So FACL/ST weren't of the same mind as the 'Tee-Yay' with respect to bus seating, then. Interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merrick & 90th, 1971 (is that a terminal in the background? I can also glimpse an "indy" Fishbowl, in the background, on the left)

Old Look #7105 appears quite of a different era, in this 50-year ol view.

Also, note the row of "Tee-Yay" Fishbowls in the background, all with blanked-off a/c's........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154828

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Merrick & 90th, 1971 (is that a terminal in the background? I can also glimpse an "indy" Fishbowl, in the background, on the left)

Old Look #7105 appears quite of a different era, in this 50-year ol view.

Also, note the row of "Tee-Yay" Fishbowls in the background, all with blanked-off a/c's........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154828

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

Obviously the 1971 lot within 4300-4499, given the back lights. Which of those would have been #4401 that later was rebuilt as 5227, I ask?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

I am sure this was mentioned elsewhere in our discussions, but which "Tee-Yay"/MaBSTOA buses (GMC/Flex) were the last to be delivered in the old (1960's) green scheme?

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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.:

I am sure this was mentioned elsewhere in our discussions, but which "Tee-Yay"/MaBSTOA buses (GMC/Flex) were the last to be delivered in the old (1960's) green scheme?

"NYO"

On MaBSTOA: 1969-70 Flxible buses 4600-4727
On 'Tee-Yay': 1970-71 GM buses 4300-4499
All buses since the 1968 GM order (8801-8928) had the 'M' insignia up front above the entrance and drivers' windows.
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