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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....once the PRR installed AC catenary, and abandoned the use of DC third rail, the DD-1's were no longer needed, and, as mentioned earlier, some went over to the LIRR, where, for many years, they hauled non-electrified trains between Jamaica and Penn Station.

The tiny "pantographs" that the DD-1's were equipped with were originally used at Penn Station at the major interlockings, where heavy girderwork supported overhead third rail, to allow trains to proceed through diverging routes without losing power (due to third rail gaps)

The NYC's electrics also utilized small pantographs, when negotiating interlocking at GCT.

When the PRR electrified its main lines, it also extended the catenary to the Exchange Place ferry terminal at Jersey City.......

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's two examples of the "mini pans" used on NYC electrics........

www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc100s.jpg

www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/NYC235WKA.jpg

(courtesy: Fallen Flags Raailroads)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....one thing I've always wondered about over the years, regarding AMTRAK rolling stock, is why baggage versions of the AMFLEET car were never built.

Recall, also, the original METROLINER trains (the MU's); these were the first cars to use the tubular design later adopted by theAMTRAK for the AMFLEET cars.

It would have been interesting, had AMTRAK not given up on MU trainsets for METROLINER services, to see what later trainsets might have looked like.

It is interesting how, in later years the "high speed" MU concept was abandoned by AMTRAK, replaced by conventional equipment......

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, the tubular design was not conducive to baggage cars, making it difficult to have large cargo doors.

The Metroliner was the 'template' for later Amfleet I and II designs, as well as the SPV2000 rail diesel car.
But there were earlier examples using partial tubular design...
The Keystone was one...
http://streamlinermemories.info/?p=2276
The Pioneer III was another...later evolving into the Silverliner's...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_III_(railcar) and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Silverliner
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

We had discussed this before; for some reason, when a Wikipedia link has "( )" in it, it will not "hotlink". Sad

Anyway, thanks for bringing up the "KEYSTONE", I had totally had forgotten about this train. Wink

Recall, also, the sleek "AEROTRAIN", which looked like it had 4104's in the consist! Shocked

I have several vintage toys of this unique train; it certainly caught one's eye, back in the day! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

www.american-rails.com/aero.html

(courtesy: americanrails)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passenger handout for the "AEROTRAIN".......

www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-aero.html

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"AEROTRAIN" at Greenburg, PA, 1957........

www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-aerotrain-a.jpg

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a beautiful vintage postcard view of the "AEROTRAIN"......

www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-aerotrain.jpg

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you bring up the Aerotrain, you might also recall its Pullman-Standard built rival, the "Train-X" or "X-plorer. New York Central tested both of them...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xplorer_(New_York_Central_Railroad_train)

The Train-X was powered by an unusual Baldwin diesel-hydraulic locomotive...
The New Haven also had a version, but with added third rail power...
http://yardlimit.railfan.net/baldwindiesels/rp210/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, when discussing lightweight, experimental passenger train history, homage must be paid to the Burlington Pioneer Zephyr, and Union Pacific M-10000...both derived from even earlier rail "motor-cars"....
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
If you bring up the Aerotrain, you might also recall its Pullman-Standard built rival, the "Train-X" or "X-plorer. New York Central tested both of them...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xplorer_(New_York_Central_Railroad_train)

The Train-X was powered by an unusual Baldwin diesel-hydraulic locomotive...
The New Haven also had a version, but with added third rail power...
http://yardlimit.railfan.net/baldwindiesels/rp210/


traildriver:

You posted a link (this one for the X-plorer) from Wikipedia that had parenthese; I mentioned this earlier here, that, for whatever reason, a Wiki link that has "( )" in it, it will not hotlink (I mentioned this in an earlier post)

Why this is so, I have no idea; I have found it frustrating myself, when I wanted to post an interesting link here. Sad

(I DID, however, enjoy the "Train-X" link!)

Anyway, you got me thinking of those trains, and it made me recall so much ingenuity that was once so commonplace in transportation, back in the day, particularly on the rails.

Recall, also, those unique domes on the B&O, the ones with modified domes that would clear catenary in the DC area? (these were the "Strata-Domes")

I always thought that it would be really fascinating to sit in the dome in one of thee cars while under the spiderweb of catenary at Washington; also (for safety reasons, of course!) passengers were not allowed in the dome area wile under wire......

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From: "BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD" (Reynolds/Oroszi)......

"......only one B&O service would receive entire new sets of lightweight streamline equipment at one time; the all-coach "COLUMBIAN" received all-new equipment in 1949......"

"......this included the first-and for many years-only dome cars in service on an Eastern railroad. Clearances on the Eastern roads were not conducive to dome operation, but the new B&O domes were built to low-clearance specifications. For safety reasons, passengers were not allowed to sit in the dome area under catenary in the DC area......"

".....these cars were also equipped with spotlights on the roofs, to illuminate the nighttime countryside......"

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an unusual photo at Toledo, taken in 1969; here, we see a B&O dome (note roof spotlight) in a consist that is otherwise all head-end cars (talk about an elaborate "milk run"!) Wink

www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-dc5550dca.jpg

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strata-Dome *

*(AMTRAK used these interesting cars for some years; thankfully, four out of the five built still survive today!) Wink
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