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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should have just looked here for the answer... Smile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_%22old-look%22_transit_bus
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

As always, appreciate your input! Wink

In my mind, I can still recall the heavy, deep bass growling when INTER-CITY's and DE CAMP's ACF-BRILL C-44 suburbans shifted, well over 50 years ago......ahhh, music to the ears! Wink

With suburban/highway GM buses, the sounds were truly harmonic, like a diesel-powered choir, when out on the open road....... Very Happy

"NYO"

*I am sure that the FACCo and NYO drivers of the later 1930's surely appreciated the new BANKER semi-automatic transmissions of the new YELLOW COACHES (the "Queen Mary" double-deckers were equipped with these).....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

......I am also curious as to how automatic transmissions on New York buses compared to manual transmissions, especially on routes that encountered grades/hills......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
......I am also curious as to how automatic transmissions on New York buses compared to manual transmissions, especially on routes that encountered grades/hills......

Most infamously along Lexington Avenue between 102nd and 103rd Streets . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
......I am also curious as to how automatic transmissions on New York buses compared to manual transmissions, especially on routes that encountered grades/hills......

Most infamously along Lexington Avenue between 102nd and 103rd Streets . . .


W.B.:

I posted a photo link to an early 1980's photo of a Flex New Look climbing that grade, in my "Puerto Rican Day" thread awhile back; that grade looked QUITE formidable to ANY bus, regardless of transmission type!

"NYO"

*I have, in the past, seen a number of TARS/SURFACE pictures taken in the Bronx, that show some pretty steep grades......
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
I posted a photo link to an early 1980's photo of a Flex New Look climbing that grade, in my "Puerto Rican Day" thread awhile back; that grade looked QUITE formidable to ANY bus, regardless of transmission type!

And before the 1960 one-way conversions, coming down from that grade (on #3 and #4 buses) would have been even more formidable. Wasn't there at least one pic of one such bus that crashed into a building because of the attempts to maneuver there?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Had no idea of this incident; certainly hope there were no serious injuries.

Speaking of grades, it would seem that these SURFACE Macks (photo from 1949) are not encountering any, at least in this location..... Wink

"NYO"

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars153.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....this rare photo from 1942 clearly illustrates a major headache that would become history once SURFACE buses replaced the streetcars in Manhattan.........

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars123.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
I posted a photo link to an early 1980's photo of a Flex New Look climbing that grade, in my "Puerto Rican Day" thread awhile back; that grade looked QUITE formidable to ANY bus, regardless of transmission type!

And before the 1960 one-way conversions, coming down from that grade (on #3 and #4 buses) would have been even more formidable. Wasn't there at least one pic of one such bus that crashed into a building because of the attempts to maneuver there?


W.B.:

Check out this 1931 photo (Yonkers)......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars085.htm

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....recall, also, that TARS streetcars (as was standard street railway practice) used sanders when encountering slippery rails, especially on grades, during "slippery" weather.

I am sure that buses could have also benefited from such hardware, when used on the more hilly routes......

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

....long ago, I took out a book from my local library that had vintage photos of the Bronx, up to about 1950 (there were a number of SURFACE and TARS photos); I cannot recall the title nor the author.

One late 1940's photo I still remember had a TARS streetcar climbing up a steep street; a new SURFACE bus (GM) was approaching from the adjoining street, which also appeared fairly steep......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
I posted a photo link to an early 1980's photo of a Flex New Look climbing that grade, in my "Puerto Rican Day" thread awhile back; that grade looked QUITE formidable to ANY bus, regardless of transmission type!

And before the 1960 one-way conversions, coming down from that grade (on #3 and #4 buses) would have been even more formidable. Wasn't there at least one pic of one such bus that crashed into a building because of the attempts to maneuver there?


IIRC There was a phramacy on the northeast corner of 103 and Lexington. My grandmother lived on 103 between Lex and Park. I remember her telling me stories of buses who lost their brakes coming down that hill and smashing into the windows
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question has been asked as to what new buses purchased by MaBSTOA were used to replace the ex-Fifth Avenue Coach/Surface Transit buses.

The following is the best compilation possible to answer the question

a) 175 ex-TA TDH-4510 replaced quite a number of Surface Transit Macks that were in terrible condition to be rebuilt.

b) Ex-NYCO TD-4506 replaced many Surface Macks in the Bronx.

c) In 1963, 279 ex-TA TDH-4510 allowed the scrapping of all Mack C-45 and C-47 plus nearly 400 TD-4506 and TDH-4507.

d) In 1964-1965, 325 brand new TDH-5303 (3s 5201-5525) replaced all remaining TD-4506 and TDH-4507

e) 1965, 500 new TDH-5303 (#s 6401-6900) replaced all ex-TA TDH-4510 and TDH-5101 and started replacing the TDH-4509

f) 1966-1967 480 new TDH-5303 with batwings and a/c (#s8301-8780) replaced all remaining spring suspension buses and Mack C-49s.

This left a fleet of 1680 TDH-5301 and TDH-5303 plus 161 TDH-5106

In 1970 128 new Flxible (#s 4600-4727) fishbowls, the first for MaBSTOA) placed all the TDH-5106 and low numbered TDH-5301 into storage. Some of the 5106 were sent to the TA to meet their shortage.

When the city condemned the private companies in 1962 the following buses were not part of the condemnation:

New York City Omnibus Yellow Coach models 740 (#s 367-475) and TD-4502 and TD-4505 (#s 800-916)

Fifth Avenue Coach Yellow Coach model 740 (#s 1400-1424) many were converted to salt spreaders

Surface Transit Mack model C-50 (ex-Fifth Avenue)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15:

GREATLY APPRECIATE your taking the time to post the history of "what buses replaced older buses": I know I was just starting grade school when the C-45's and C-47's were retired; Mom and I rode them a number of times.

Regarding the retired buses converted into "snow fighters", the "Em-Tee-Yay" certainly could have used them this past winter........ Shocked

Thanks again for your time....... Wink

"NYO"
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