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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another NY Rys open car, seen here awaiting its next run......
www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/jpg/mnyr13.jpg
(courtesy: davesrailpix)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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A BRILL builders photo (from 1909) showing TARS convertible #851, the Company's first convertible.
It is easy to see how "those not in the know" could easily refer to such equipment as "open cars".
In the aforementioned Kate Simon book, "A BRONX PRIMITIVE", the Bronx "summer trolleys" described were indeed open cars, by the description of how the conductor swung along the length of the car on the running board, collecting fares......
www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars061.htm
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:03 am Post subject: |
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By the time TARS elderly convertibles made their last runs, the era of the true "open car"/"summer trolley" in New York had already been over for a number of years (here, car #1142 is seen holding down a run on the 145th St./Broadway line)
Finding photos of TARS open cars (especially those running out to Orchard Beach) seem to be rarer than the proverbial hen's tooth......
www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars132.htm |
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2411 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:27 am Post subject: |
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That front roll sign must've been from the January 1971 service changes. The same type was used on northbound (M)5 runs to 178th and Broadway after that route was extended there just outside the George Washington Bridge Bus Station. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:45 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
As always, appreciate your input.
You mentioned the service changes of the January, 1971; how did these changes affect MaBSTOA routes?
Thanks for any info......
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2411 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:05 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | You mentioned the service changes of the January, 1971; how did these changes affect MaBSTOA routes? |
All the routes affected were MaBSTOA (i.e., no 'Tee-Yay' routes that I know of). But for starters, on the 10th . . .
- The Rt. 5, as said before, was extended to 178th and Broadway (and was the only ex-FACO Division route so changed; all others were ex-Surface Transit)
- M-100 was extended all the way to the 'city line' at 263rd and Riverdale (misspelt 'Rivervale' on front roll sign)
- Bx-9 rerouted through Schieffelin Avenue, as a replacement for Bx-14A - Edenwald Shuttle which had been discontinued on the 8th
- Bx-10's hours of operation reduced to 6 A.M.-9 P.M. weekdays
On the 11th . . .
- Some Bx-2 runs that went through Bedford Park Boulevard and Paul Avenue were reduced to one school trip daily
- Bx-15 extended to Fordham Road and Valentine Avenue
All those came from Motor Coach Age's May 1972 history of MaBSTOA. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:30 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Exactly what I wanted to know.....thanks!
Back in the day, before computer programming, etc., it had to have been quite interesting, to say the least, when the Traffic Department of the "Tee-Yay", MaBSTOA, etc., had to draw up plans, and make changes in routes, scheduling, etc., when formerly two-way thoroughfares became one-way, routes "split" into branches, etc.
Too, over the course of several decades, there were/are service changes that come about due to changing travel patterns, changing demographics, etc.
This is bringing to mind massive redevelopments, such as Battery Park City, a huge tract of filled-in area that was originally the location of chock-a-block piers, wharves, and ferry terminals.
Over the years, when new, large-scale developments rise, that, also, would (IMHO) see the need for new/modified bus services, especially if said area is a hefty walk from the nearest subway line.......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:19 am Post subject: |
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......changing two-way thoroughfares into one-way had to have made for interesting bus route changes.
From: "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES" (Greller):
".......most of the routes remained the same after the creation of MaBSTOA. Manhattan route changes were largely the result of combining routes, due to avenues being converted to one-way traffic......"
"......one result was the elimination of the former OMNIBUS Route 5 being taken over by Route 6, when Broadway and Sixth Avenue became one-ways......."
".......some former SURFACE routes in the Bronx were changed or combined......"
One of the things I have often thought about was why the changeover, after so many years, from two-way streets into one-ways......more efficient traffic flow?
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W.B. Fishbowl
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | ......changing two-way thoroughfares into one-way had to have made for interesting bus route changes.
From: "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES" (Greller):
".......most of the routes remained the same after the creation of MaBSTOA. Manhattan route changes were largely the result of combining routes, due to avenues being converted to one-way traffic......"
"......one result was the elimination of the former OMNIBUS Route 5 being taken over by Route 6, when Broadway and Sixth Avenue became one-ways......."
".......some former SURFACE routes in the Bronx were changed or combined......"
One of the things I have often thought about was why the changeover, after so many years, from two-way streets into one-ways......more efficient traffic flow? |
One of the more interesting combinations (to me anyway), following the conversion of Fifth Avenue into one-way SB and Madison Avenue into one way NB, was the "merger" of two different #2 routes - FACCo's Fifth and Seventh Avenues line with NYCO's Fourth and Madison Avenues line. The former was reconstituted as the "Seventh Avenue branch" (9.48 route miles) and summarily had its route numbering modified to 2A; the latter, as the "Lenox Avenue branch" (7.5 route miles). To this end, ex-FACCo #2's depot assignment was switched from 132nd Street to 146th Street (where ex-NYCO #2 had been assigned since 1964). 'Tis thus that the overall description of this "combined" route of "Fifth and Madison Avenues via Seventh and Lenox Avenues" meant - in the same was as #3's description as "via St. Nicholas and Convent Avenues" and the #14 14th Street crosstown as "via Avenues A and D" - they didn't go in both in the same run, but had two separate branches that terminated in one or another place. (Also think, at the time, the Cortlandt Street, Abingdon Square and West Houston Street branches of the #10 Eighth Avenue/Central Park West line; the 12th Avenue and West 42nd Street Pier branches of the #16 34th Street crosstown; and the East End Avenue and 91st Street-York Avenue branches of the #18 86th Street crosstown.)
The naming of the "Seventh Avenue branch" as 2A was a carryover from the Surface Transit practice of assigning letters to differing branches (i.e. Bx-12/12A/12B) - and indicated it was secondary to the #2 "Lenox Avenue branch." According to transcripts of MaBSTOA documents, 2 (as the Lenox branch will hereby be referred to) had 3 to 4 minute headways at peak and 6 minutes off-peak; 2A's was 6 minutes peak and 8 minutes off-peak.
I always wondered if, in the three years there was this dual-branch "single route," if there were cases where, after a run of a 2A bus came to an end at 8th Street and Fourth Avenue, the dispatcher at 146th had the driver change its next run to a 2 to and from 147th and Lenox; or conversely if a 2 run ended there, a driver was instructed by the dispatcher on another occasion to have his next run as a 2A to and from 168th and Broadway.
In any event, this didn't last long. As early as July 1967 (per transcripts of agency proceedings), MaBSTOA was floating around the idea of eliminating the 2 (Lenox branch) and replacing it with a "new" Lenox branch of its M-101 Third and Lexington Avenues line. Approval of this plan was made on Dec. 13, 1968 (per "City Record" or whatever it was called), strangely it was referred to in the elimination notice as the "Fourth and Madison Avenues line" and its SB route as mapped out up to and including Jan. 13, 1966. The last run of the 2 was March 2, 1969; that day the "new" Third-Lexington-Lenox line, M-101A, debuted (it would become M102 in 1974). I put "new" in quotes because, north of 24th Street, it was a de facto revival of the old NYCO #4 Lexington-Lenox line that ran from 1936 to 1960; the only difference being it ran NB on Third Avenue south of 116th Street. (The 2A would survive, and has been known as M2 since 1974.) |
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