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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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Joe:
Appreciate the information. 
I always found it interesting how TARS streetcar operations were converted to buses in "stages"; the first to go entirely over to buses were the Manhattan conduit lines, followed by the lines serving the Bronx.
Lastly, the lines in lower Westchester.
That so many ex-TARS cars were sold overseas (Austria and South America) and lasted so many more years in regular service (especially those sent to South America) speak volumes on just how sturdily built these cars were......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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Rare (BRILL) builders photo of #851, the first TARS convertible.
Many of these handsome cars lasted in service for nearly 40 years......
https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars061.htm
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N4 Jamaica
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Joe:
Appreciate the information.
I always found it interesting how TARS streetcar operations were converted to buses in "stages"; the first to go entirely over to buses were the Manhattan conduit lines, followed by the lines serving the Bronx.
Lastly, the lines in lower Westchester.
That so many ex-TARS cars were sold overseas (Austria and South America) and lasted so many more years in regular service (especially those sent to South America) speak volumes on just how sturdily built these cars were......
"NYO" |
I was in elementary school for the motorization of Manhattan and Bronx routes 1946 and later. TARS and Surface was bankrupt, so they could not have paid cash for the new Macks and GM buses that came in waves.
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I believe the provision of cars to Wien was problematic, as the TARS cars could not make sharp turns. I think they were limited to one lightly traveled route along the shore of a Danube canal, currently bus 79A. |
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Here's one of the ex-TARS cars in the tramway museum in Vienna; outside of the pantograph, the car looks much as it did when it was in the TARS fleet......
https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars149.htm
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N4 Jamaica
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And below is another description of the TARS cars on five routes in Vienna, not just the single route I mentioned.
http://www.austrianinformation.org/fall-2015/the-americans-in-vienna
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The puzzling brake is a foot pedal. Releasing the pedal releases air and the reservoir pressure takes over. It functions as a dead-man's device, and it does not require a hand. Members can try it at the trolley museum in East Haven. At the end of a route, the operator removes this pedal and brings it to the other end operating position. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| N4 Jamaica wrote: | And below is another description of the TARS cars on five routes in Vienna, not just the single route I mentioned.
http://www.austrianinformation.org/fall-2015/the-americans-in-vienna
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The puzzling brake is a foot pedal. Releasing the pedal releases air and the reservoir pressure takes over. It functions as a dead-man's device, and it does not require a hand. Members can try it at the trolley museum in East Haven. At the end of a route, the operator removes this pedal and brings it to the other end operating position. |
Joe:
This is quite unusual, and I did not know about this arrangement until now; thanks for sharing this information.
To date, the only streetcars I knew that had foot pedals to actuate the brakes were the PCC's.
I wonder if this was unique to these cars, or did some other car types of that era also have have them.......
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While on the subject of unique braking systems......
Recall the (1939/1940) CLARK-built "BLUEBIRDS", operated by the BMT; these streamlined articulated units were unusual in that they used a single handle controller/braking system......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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"Demos"......
Recall the articulated "SUPER TWIN cOACH" bus that went on trial in New York during 1947 (I know this demo operated in Brooklyn; I've seen photos showing the bus signed "FLATBUSH" and "37-THIRD AVE./NAVY YARD)....of course, the BoT did not purchase this type.
It would not be until the 1970's that an articulated was again tested in New York, this time serving MaBSTOA......
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| N4 Jamaica wrote: | | Bx19 replaced the 207th Street crosstown from Broadway to Southern Blvd, but later Bx12 was lengthened west to Broadway and Bx19 abolished. |
On the same day in 1969 as #2 Fifth/Madison/Lenox was abolished and replaced with M-101A (now M102) Third/Lexington/Lenox; #14 14th Street Crosstown opens a new branch terminating at Abingdon Square; and #10 Eighth Avenue-Central Park West initiated a new southern terminus (among a total of four) at West 3rd Street and Avenue of the Americas. A busy day in bus service changes. Apart from the discontinuance of Bx19 and extension of Bx12, the other routes were all ex-NYCO's. |
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W.B:
In today's MTA bus operations, what route would you say has changed the least since the SURFACE era?
Another quick question: did SURFACE ever offer any sort of express service, or was that pretty much redundant?
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