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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Agreed 100%.
The excellent photos you've posted here over time have indeed made some inroads in "filling the gaps", regarding the photos not in the nycsubway.org collection.
Also, only ONE (color) FACL photo (from 1962) in the nycsubway.org archives, post-1960, and (again NOT surprisingly) MO photos of FACL "Jetsons".
One would think there would be at least some early/mid-60's photos of "Shermans" and "Pattons" at the St. George terminal; I cannot recall seeing any Fishbowls" at St. George until later in the 1960's.
One old postcard (circa-1963) I have, which Mom bought me at the Whitehall Street terminal newsstand over 60 years ago, depicts a spectacular panoramic view of the St. George terminal (complete with long lines of vehicles waiting for the SI and 69th Street boats); no less than 17 "Shermans" and "Pattons" are seen here.
Ahhh, to go back to those days..............
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Here we have what amounts to the oldest (nycsubway.org) Fishbowl photo taken on the "Isle of Staten" (1965)
Note that "Jetson" #1104 carries an ad rack behind the rear wheels; also note the "SPECIAL" reading on the roller sign (and, also, the notices taped to the windows)
Could this have been tied in to the introduction of Fishbowls on "R" routes?
(and note that gorgeous '59/'60 PONTIAC bringing up the rear!)
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153188
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's now 1971, and here we see "Jetson" #1038 awaiting departure from the St. George terminal (the air-raid siren atop the terminal roof was a stoic reminder of the Cold War era of the 1950s and early 1960s)
Less than a decade earlier, a "Sherman" or a "Patton" would have been on hand at the St. George platforms.............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153176
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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The "Isle of Staten" in 1971..........
The Staten Island Ferry then had a fleet of 8 active boats (the "GOLD STAR MOTHER" of 1937 had just been retired; the ferry was then operated with the two-remaining boats of the "MISS NEW YORK" class (both soon to be retired), the three "MERRELL"-class boats, and the 1965 "KENNEDY"-class diesels.
The ailing SIRT, now a part of the MTA, (indeed, quite short of rolling stock) was still operating its venerable 1925 ME-1's (these ancient cars would be retired in 1973, replaced by the R-44s)
The B&O was also then still operating freight/float service on "The Isle of Staten".
The beefy, lumbering "Pattons" had already been gone from "R" routes a few years, and the few remaining "Shermans" running on "The Isle Of Staten" were then living on borrowed time........
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Here we have what amounts to the oldest (nycsubway.org) Fishbowl photo taken on the "Isle of Staten" (1965)
Note that "Jetson" #1104 carries an ad rack behind the rear wheels; also note the "SPECIAL" reading on the roller sign (and, also, the notices taped to the windows)
Could this have been tied in to the introduction of Fishbowls on "R" routes?
(and note that gorgeous '59/'60 PONTIAC bringing up the rear!)
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153188
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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This may well have been their first express bus route to downtown Brooklyn, the R8X, that travelled over the then-new Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. (Though officially that route would debut that November.) No doubt no "Shermans" or "Pattons" would've been permitted to run that "tony" route - and in those days they didn't have the specific roll signs to show exactly what that route was. |
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:10 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
The scenario you just described does makes sense; the photo whose link I posted might very well have been part of a "Tee-Yay" promotional, regarding the upcoming debut of express bus service over the new VZ Bridge (recall, the VZ only had one level back then)
Last time Your's Truly rode a Staten Island "Sherman" was back around 1968/1969, when my folks and I rode from St. George to Richmondtown.
Several years earlier, I remember Mom and I riding "Pattons" to South Beach (Mom recalled riding the SIRT there, back in the later 1920s/early 1930s)
Eons ago............
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Here is an excellent "in depth" page (with many interesting photos) on the VZ Bridge (bus services are described in the "public transportation" section)
Note that there were proposals for subway operation over the Bridge, but, of course, the Great Messiah Of The Automobile, Mr. Moses, nixed those proposal without hesitation.
Tolls were 50 cents when the span opened in 1964; like most other bridges and tunnels these days, the once-commonplace toll booths have disappeared---------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verrazzano-Narrows_Bridge
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of of the mighty VZ Bridge (and buses!) here's a nostalgic Brooklyn photo from 1973..............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153543
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:47 am Post subject: |
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St. George, 1973.
Here's two "Dangerfields" and a Fishbowl at the ferry terminal, patiently awaiting their respective outbound runs.
Note that "Dangerfield" #5607 has an empty front sign box*, and is carrying taped signs in the windshield...............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154614
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*(As does the Fishbowl bringing up the rear)
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Bay & Borough (St. George) 1981
Here we have a DC "Dangerfield" leading a "Borough Bomber".......the very same type of bus that the DC units trekked northwards to fill in for (note that the "Dangerfield's" dash has already been "decorated" by a some young urban "artist" with too much time on his hands..............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155308
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