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October 31, 1956: An Era Ends In Brooklyn
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we have two B&QT Peter Witts at Flatbush and Livingston, with a new ("Bingham") MACK C-50-DT on the right (these buses were purchased between 1950 and 1951)........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117775

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting view, circa-1940, snapped at Fulton & Greene; thi is one of those nostalgic views sure to make "Old school" transit buffs" drool, including Your's Truly! Wink

So much of interest here; the single-ended Peter Witt (note the angular contours of the rear end that characterized the 6000-series cars), the BMT "C" unit train rumbling overhead, the vintage taxis, and the two-light traffic signal.

Also, note the vintage "TROLLEY STATION" sign, commonplace in Brooklyn until the 1950's......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117770

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1950's scene at Grand Avenue & Maspeth; note postwar TWIN heading away from the camera......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140718

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"OLD VS THE NEW" (Brooklyn-style).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140679

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?30941 *

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*(The bus on the right is either a TDH-4510 or a 5101)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this nostalgic scene of long-ago Brooklyn, we see Peter Witt #8450 loading passengers, while a train of BMT Standards rumbles along overhead.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?142077

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an early 1950's scene depicting Peter Witt #8458 at the busy Williamsburg Bridge Plaza transfer station; note the new MACK in the background........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?31155

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this scene from 1946, we see a double-ended B&QT Peter Witt, with prewar TWIN #D-1244 on the left, running on the "#33 HAMILTON".....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118114

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"THE VICTORS" (former B&QT East New York car house)

The old streetcars, here, at the former ENY depot, have now been vanquished, replaced by buses.

Note the rows of MACKS parked where once rows of streetcars once awaited their next call to duty; also, note how the tracks from the street, leading into the car depot, have been paved over.

For now, the now-useless line poles in front of the building remain in place; note, also, that, for now, streetcars are still serving the area, as is witnessed by the doubl-ended Peter Witt passing in front of the former car depot.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?46323

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
In this scene from 1946, we see a double-ended B&QT Peter Witt, with prewar TWIN #D-1244 on the left, running on the "#33 HAMILTON".....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118114

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Does the D on the Twin mean diesel?
I never rode Myrtle-Court to this loop. Sometime in the 1930's, B&QT management saved money by tying lines end-to-end, giving them hyphenated names, as Smith-Coney Island, McDonald-Vanderbilt, Myrtle-Court, Sumner-Sackett, Ralph-Rockaway, Utica-Reid. I would not care to defend my explanation on each of these routes, by the way. To find two routes to unite, traffic loads on each half had to be similar. I think it is funny that the TA had to untie Crosstown into the 61 and 62 to improve reliable scheduling, but combined Court with Flushing, running from Red Hook to Maspeth!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

Regarding the "D" prefix on that bus: your guess is as good as mine, at this point.

Like many other cities, Brooklyn's vast streetcar network was granted a temporary "stay of execution" when WW2 hit; as with PSNJ, and other companies, older Brooklyn cars were taken out of storage, to help cope with the heavy wartime traffic.

Famed transit historian (and hockey maven) Stan Fischler had many Brooklyn streetcar lines he regarded as personal favorites, including:

NOSTRAND

OCEAN

NORTON'S POINT

VANDERBILT

TOMPKINS

FLATBUSH

LORIMER

FRANKLIN

BERGEN

MYRTLE

BROADWAY

GRAHAM

FULTON

As with PSNJ, here in NJ, while a number of new Brooklyn bus routes followed the old streetcar lines in pretty much the same manner, other lines were cut back, or now followed more convoluted routes

Private ROW's fell by the wayside (and, from photos I've seen, were quite commonplace on the B&QT system.......

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note the different paint schemes on these double-ended Peter Witts at the Fresh Pond yards; this facility closed in 1950.

Note, too, the intricate, graceful trackwork.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118125

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's Peter Witt #8445 at the busy Williamsburgh Bridge Plaza station; two Old Looks can be seen in the background, with a new MACK just edging into the picture, behind the streetcar......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?46006

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An "old timer" B&QT motorman poses in front of his trusty electric steed, Peter Witt #8426 (note the old-fashioned change maker in his hand)

The motormen and conductors, way back then, also looked quite proud in their uniforms, when they posed for a photo with their trolleys.

This picture was taken at Rockaway Parkway, where riders could transfer to the BMT's 14th St. subway line (today's "L" train).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?31122

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old-fashioned lines of elderly B&QT convertible #4573 contrast sharply with sleek, new (postwar) TWIN COACH #1733* (bus is signed for "52-GATES AVENUE")

Note the complex "special work" in the cobblestones.

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140880

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*These buses were built between 1947 and 1948.......


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the late 1940's, we see a B&QT "ol'-tyme" convertible (#4573) on a fan trip at Fresh Pond; also, note the elderly train of wooden El cars climbing the ramp to the Myrtle Avenue line.

Streetcars last called at Fresh Pond in 1950.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117663

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