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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22630 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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3rd Avenue El, 42nd St., 1955 (note the two new '55 Chevy cabs)
Here we have two SURFACE buses on the right (a MACK and an Old Look)........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75749
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["RIDE THE SURFACE WAY"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a VERY wintry scene at 3rd Avenue & 53rd, back in 1947 (Baby, it's COLD outside!)
Note SURFACE bus under the El........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?142871
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["IRT LINES"]
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:52 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | 3rd Avenue El, 42nd St., 1955 (note the two new '55 Chevy cabs)
Here we have two SURFACE buses on the right (a MACK and an Old Look)........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75749
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
["RIDE THE SURFACE WAY"] |
The Old Look a.k.a. 'Sherman' looks like it was from either the 1953 or fall 1954 order. The rounded corners of some of the passenger windows - plus the "new bus" sheen of the paint scheme - give that away. Amazing, considering Surface was still in bankruptcy at the time, not to exit it until FACL's late 1956 acquisition of it (with blessings from a Federal judge overseeing Surface's bankruptcy).
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:31 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Yup, that "new bus sheen" on the "Sherman", and the new '55 Chevy cabs both helped to date this pic to 1955, which, of course, was the same year that the El closed in Manhattan.
As SURFACE buses replaced TARS streetcars, I, every so often, picture the replacement buses being operated by "TABS" (Third Avenue Bus System).
Too, as there are, of course, books out on TARS, I STILL am hoping that, some day, at least ONE good book (photos, maps, facilities, history, etc.) will be published on SURFACE (and, IF such a book WERE to ever appear, let's indeed hope that there are some good photos of the Fishbowls within its pages!)
(imagine SURFACE running "Dangerfields" with "RIDE THE SURFACE WAY" emblazoned over the windows?
"NYO"
["RIDE THE SURFACE WAY"]
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:39 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | (imagine SURFACE running "Dangerfields" with "RIDE THE SURFACE WAY" emblazoned over the windows? |
By the time the first "Dangerfields" were manufactured, that slogan would have been long gone, and FACL owned Surface, and both had the green and cream scheme. Had not FACL been beset by money troubles (no doubt due to declining bus patronage, but also exacerbated by trying to fend off Harry Weinberg who ultimately took them over in February 1962), they would have probably got some 'Dangerfields' labeled 'FACL' for the Jackson Heights depot for the 15 Jackson Heights and 16 Elmhurst lines, and 'ST' for key well-travelled Bronx lines. (While keeping with the Fishbowls for Manhattan, of course.)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:24 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Though I was quite young, I still well recall buses emblazoned with "RIDE THE SURFACE WAY" on 42nd St. (back then, my godmother worked in an office over near the UN, and Mom and I would ride on over to visit her at work, after getting off of a NHBL #5 from Union City, at the "Port-of-Authority")
So far as MaBSTOA buses, the distinctive "buses with the sign that sticks out in the front" always come to my mind, first and foremost.
Getting back to FACL, one cannot help but wonder what MIGHT have transpired, had the 1962 strike not taken place.
Might FACL survived at least some more years as an "indy" company?
Of course, we can only speculate, over 60 years later.....
"NYO"
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I believe a reference was made to the Second Avenue El and its crossing to Queens via the Queensboro Bridge.
The following photos are from the ERA publications "The Tracks of New York" by Alan Paul Kahn and Jack May.
Volume 1, Metropolitan Street Railway 1907 (published in 1973)
Volume 2, Brooklyn Elevated Railroad 1910 (published 1975)
Volume 3, Manhattan & Bronx Elevated Railroad 1920 (published 1976)
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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and here is the Queens side of the EL
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22630 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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MaBSTOA 15:
If only we could travel back through the decades and actually SEE, HEAR, and RIDE those complex, spindly, complicated El lines and their antiqued rolling stock!!!
THANK YOU for taking the time to post these wonderful and fascinating items!
"NYO"
["RIDE THE OPEN AIR El"]
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2459 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yes! Thanks from me, as well…absolutely splendid photos!
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver wrote: | Yes! Thanks from me, as well…absolutely splendid photos! |
And I certainly SECOND that motion!!!
"NYO"
["RIDE THE SURFACE WAY"]
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of "end of an era," this is the fourth anniversary of the very last RTS bus ride of which I was a part, on the M55 bus from 44th and 6th to Rector Street, in the late morning of May 6, 2019. Who knew back when the first MaBSTOA and 'Tee-Yay' RTS' were first put into service in 1981, that its years of service would outlast both the Fishbowls (36 years - 1959-1995) and Old Looks a.k.a. 'Shermans' (32 years - 1941-1973)?
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:49 am Post subject: |
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The only time buses ever went over the Brooklyn Bridge was when a parade of vintage buses were brought out in commemoration of the Bridge's 100th anniversary in 1983, as evidenced below (in the background is the Watchtower building, flashing the temperature on the huge Time-O-Matic "Time-O-Temp" display atop the building):
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 9:52 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
GREAT photo, for certain....I WELL recall the day that the BB turned 100; I was then working not far away on Wall Street (riding an El train or a streetcar over the historic span would have been the IDEAL way to celebrate!)
How ironic that none of those historic buses ever crossed the BB in revenue service.........
"NYO"
["BoT"]
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