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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:28 pm    Post subject: "Happy Birthday, IRT!" Reply with quote

Though this is, of course, NOT bus-related, I would, indeed, be amiss if I didn't at least post a brief "Happy Birthday" greeting to the good ol' IRT; on this day in 1904, the first section of the IRT.....New York's first subway......opened.

On this day, think of the past glories of the original "INTERBOROUGH", with its lofty and magnificent City Hall loop station, the iconic kiosk entrances (the last vanished about 1967), and, of course, Mr. Belmont's elegant private subway car, the "Mineola".

Happy 116th, IRT! Wink

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paying tribute to the "INTERBOROUGH".......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interborough_Rapid_Transit_Company
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/The_First_Subway

(a number of interesting links are on this page)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent page* on the magnificent, long-closed City Hall station.....

www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/cityirt.html

*Many excellent photos are here, including maps and diagrams.

It is also interesting to note that this station never had turnstiles (or gap fillers) installed; until the station was closed in 1945, old-fashioned "ticket-chopper" boxes were used........



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another interesting page; there are a number of photos here, including photos showing Mr. Belmont's "Mineola".........

www.failingfifty.com/a-subway-story/
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The illustrious Mr. Belmont, "Father Of The Interborough".......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Belmont_Jr.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early history of the IRT......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_history_of_the_IRT_subway
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick "heads up".......

Over on the "SubChat" board, there is a very interesting discussion now going on, related to the IRT: "The IRT pre-unification".

IMHO, it is more than worth reading into (it is good reading for those of us interested in the "human element" factor, regarding subway operations in years past)......

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a report I saw in one of the obituaries of The New York Times that suggested that at one point (the 1910's), the IRT had a stake in the Fifth Avenue Coach Company. Any basis in that, or was there something amiss in that assertion? I know that in the 1900's, they merged with the Metropolitan Street Railway, many of which routes became "bustituted" and ended up mostly part of the MaBSTOA network.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
There was a report I saw in one of the obituaries of The New York Times that suggested that at one point (the 1910's), the IRT had a stake in the Fifth Avenue Coach Company. Any basis in that, or was there something amiss in that assertion? I know that in the 1900's, they merged with the Metropolitan Street Railway, many of which routes became "bustituted" and ended up mostly part of the MaBSTOA network.


W.B.:

This also reminds me of the ill-fated "Flying Lady" City Island monorail; when it stopped running in 1914, alternate (temporary) service was provided by a leased FACCo bus.

*See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelham_Park_and_City_Island_Railway

(*several mentions of the INTERBOROUGH are also included; the INTERBOROUGH, in fact, owned the line, and sold it to TARS)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the pleasure of reading....... Wink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_and_Bronx_Surface_Transit_Operating_Authority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Avenue_Coach_Company
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
There was a report I saw in one of the obituaries of The New York Times that suggested that at one point (the 1910's), the IRT had a stake in the Fifth Avenue Coach Company. Any basis in that, or was there something amiss in that assertion? I know that in the 1900's, they merged with the Metropolitan Street Railway, many of which routes became "bustituted" and ended up mostly part of the MaBSTOA network.


W.B.:

Given this information, IMHO, I find it ironic that the INTERBOROUGH would have any sort of "connection" with FACCo; after all, the thoroughfare was then so "uppercrust" that no elevated line ever ran above it, nor did any subway run underneath it, as a north-south route.

Too, streetcars were not allowed to run along the ritzy avenue.

One cannot help but wonder what the face of NYC transit might have been like, had rapid transit been allowed to run along 5th.

In later years, how might such an arrangement have affected MaBSTOA?

We can only speculate, at best, today in 2020........

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something also interesting to think about, from back in MaBSTOA's heyday.......

Regarding those riders who lived at the northern ends of the various lines, I just wonder jut how many rode through to the (southern) end of a given line, or, how many eventually transferred to a subway line at a some point.

This thought is also in regards to the FACCo./SURFACE era......

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Mr. Ogden's book on FACCo......

"........the start of service for routes #'s 15 and 16 was July 9th, 1925. Aboard were a group of men who had witnessed the growth of Jackson Heights from a barren waste east of the Queensboro Bridge, into one of the most distinctive residential areas of the city....."

".....many of the residents of these new four and five-story apartment houses were residents who were employed in midtown Manhattan, but had no direct rapid transit service to their jobs......."

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....interesting to remember, also, that while FACCo. established new routes in Queens, it never extended any routes into Brooklyn.......

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