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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Joe:
Thanks for providing the photo link; now THAT'S a BUS!!
PSNJ, RED & TAN, and ORANGE & BLACK also rostered similar a/c Old Looks (suburbans); these were the TDH-5106/5108 models.
I also recall seeing photos awhile back somewhere online, showing a SEPTA PCC car being fitted with an experimental a/c unit.
This was way, way back in the 70's, or early 80's, I believe......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another quick question for the experts here......
Which "fleet" was the first to boast all a/c-equipped buses?
Was this NYCTA/MTA or MaBSTOA?
Also, when were the last non a/c buses retired?
Thanks in advance for any information......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Installing a/c in transit buses is, perhaps surprisingly, not a "recent" idea at all......
In 1945, the GEORGIA POWER COMPANY had the distinction of being the only city in the world to operate an air-conditioned trolley bus.
This unique coach was #1234, a P-S unit delivered late that year.
The 100 Pullmans that were ordered that year were, originally, all to have had a/c installed (this would have been a godsend to transit riders, during the long, hot Atlanta summers)
This innovative experiment was not successful, and it would be many years before any Atlanta buses arrived with a/c........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of older (non-Old Look) buses with a/c, quite awhile back, in another topic here, there was a photo (photos?) of Dallas buses (Whites?) with a/c units on the roof.
I know I've seen one older a/c-equipped bus (again, not GM) in Dallas, passing by JFK's limousine, in November, 1963.
These were the a/c units that featured the bulky duct that ran along the roof.........
"NYO"
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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The Dallas bus with a/c is not a White but a Southern Coach with a retrofit a/c unit. Also, it was the largest Souther Coach built, it was a S-50 model. Dallas was the only one to have them.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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MaBSTOA 15 wrote: | The Dallas bus with a/c is not a White but a Southern Coach with a retrofit a/c unit. Also, it was the largest Souther Coach built, it was a S-50 model. Dallas was the only one to have them. |
Thanks for this info.....much appreciated!
Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, I swear I can remember seeing a photo in a book (long ago) showing what appeared to be a WHITE (798?) with an a/c unit on top.
The one thing I do distinctly remember about this photo was that it was a rear view of the bus.
I cannot elaborate any more on this; growing up in the 1960's, the only Old Looks I can remember with rooftop a/c units were the TDH/TDM suburban types......
"NYO"
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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In regards to the above comment about the Dallas bus with a/c...
This is the photo you referenced and it is a Southern Coach built model 50S, their largest built bus with aftermarket a/c roof unit.
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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You also mentioned a "possible" White with a/c and here it is... Also in Dallas. It is a White Motors model 1150.
In the first two pictures note the rear end of a Southern Coach's a/c condenser.
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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And if you think the Southern and Whites were strange, get a good look at these two trolleybuses, an ACF and a Marmon!
(Also from Dallas)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OUTSTANDING photos......THANK YOU for sharing here!!!!!
The one rear view photo (fourth photo from top) is EXACTLY the one I recall seeing many years ago, in a book dealing with the JFK assassination.
In my area, when I was growing up in the 60's, in the diverse NHBL fleet, I recall two WHITE models; the older 798 and the newer 1150; of course, these were not a/c equipped buses.
The boxy a/c units on the roof I do clearly recall on some of the ORANGE & BLACK Old Looks.
Back then, none of the transit buses in my area (either Old Look or New Look) had a/c; the only buses I recall then having a/c were the suburban models.
Again, THANK YOU for taking the time, and posting these AWESOME old photos!!!
"NYO"
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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More aftermarket a/c equipped buses.
a) Mack model C-45 of Citizens Transit
b) GM model TDH-5105 of St. Louis Public Service
c) GM model TDH-4512 of Mechanicsville Bus Lines
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MaBSTOA 15
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And a Phoenix TDH-4512. NOte the "bald look" - no ThermoMatic grill above the destination sign.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I REPEAT:
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"NYO"
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MaBSTOA 15
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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New York Omnibus 2629... you asked who had an all a/c fleet, MaBSTOA or NYCTA and when was the last non-a/c bus retired.
I have compiled a list of a/c buses bought and operated in New York City prior to 1968 (at that point all new and future buses would be purchased with a/c equipment)
1958
Fifth Avenue Coach... TDH-5106... total 1
January 1960
Fifth Avenue Coach... TDH-5301... total 10
June 1966
Jamaica Buses... TDH-5303... total 10
June/July 1966
Green Bus Lines... TDH-5303... total 10
December 1966
Avenue B and East Broadway... TDH-4519... total 5
January/February 1967
MaBSTOA... TDH-5303... Total 480
NYCTA... TDH-5303... total 201
February 1967
Green Bus Lines... TDH-5303... total 25
February/March 1967
Jamaica Buses... TDH-5303... total 10
September 1967
Triboro Coach... TDH-5303... total 15
December 1967
Steinway Transit... TDH-5304... total 15
Sometime in 1966 Triboro Coach acquired 16 ex Greyhound World's Fair TDH-5303 with a/c and Steinway Transit acquired 2 ex Greyhound World's Fair TDH-5303 with a/c.
As to an all a/c fleet, I guess the Greyhound fleet at the 1964-1965 NY World's Fair would fit the bill. They had a 100 bus fleet with...
December 1963 - March 1964
TDH-5303... total 60
February/March 1964
SDH-5302... total 40
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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THANK YOU for taking the time to compile this list; I had no idea that ANY of the "AVE. B" fleet had a/c.....you DO learn something new every day!
I also see that MaBSTOA had more a/c-equipped buses than the "Tee-Yay" did (as of early 1967)
Again, I do thank you for posting this interesting info.....MUCH appreciated!
"NYO"
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