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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:19 am Post subject: |
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"GREYHOUND, TRAILWAYS, & 'GONE WITH THE WIND' " (1939).......
While watching (for the first time) a documentry (on dvd) on the legacy of GWTW, I was QUITE surprised to see vintage newspaper ads for both GREYHOUND and TRAILWAYS, relating to the Atlanta premier.....
"GO GREYHOUND TO ATLANTA TO SEE MARGARET MITCHELL'S 'GONE WITH THE WIND' "
"TAKE TRAILWAYS TO ATLANTA TO SEE MARGARET MITCHELL'S 'GONE WITH THE WIND' "
On both ads, there is a box with "ROUND TRIP FARE", with no price displayed (these might have been "sample" ads, printed before the corresponding fares were printed within the ads themselves.
In 1939, GREYHOUND was operating front-engine coaches, as well as 719's and 743's; TRAILWAYS (and its regional affiliates) was then operating buses from a number of builders, including:
FLXIBLE
ACF
YELLOW
Like the Old South itself, TRAILWAYS, and sadly, much of the GREYHOUND empire from 1939, has, long since, "gone with the wind"........
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Historic GREYHOUND stations in Georgia (sadly, the sleek Atlanta station was torn down about 2007)
Note that the old Columbus station once not only served GREYHOUND, but also, TRAILWAYS and other independent companies......
https://www.roadarch.com/bus/ga.html
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2460 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:08 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Historic GREYHOUND stations in Georgia (sadly, the sleek Atlanta station was torn down about 2007)
Note that the old Columbus station once not only served GREYHOUND, but also, TRAILWAYS and other independent companies......
https://www.roadarch.com/bus/ga.html
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I don't know about Georgia, but North Carolina was one state that used to have a "Union Station law"...
Whoever built the first bus terminal in a particular city, was required by law to take in other bus lines that served that city as tenants. Sometimes it was Greyhound, other times a Trailways carrier, or independent. These terminal's ticket office was required by statute to sell to a customer who didn't specify, whoever had the next trip out to a destination, regardless if a later trip was 'better' or not.
To work around this statute, Greyhound and/or Trailways would often open a "City Ticket Office" in a storefront in close proximity to the terminal, where they only had to sell tickets on their own company's service.
Some time in the late sixties, after intense lobbying, Greyhound got this statute lifted, and quickly built new terminals in several of these cities, and moved out of the old, "Jim Crow era", union bus terminals. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: |
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traildriver:
Did know of this; thanks for sharing this historical information.
Technically speaking, the PABT was/is a "Union Bus Terminal"; I've seen old references to the terminal as such, especially during its inception, construction, and early years.
Too, recall, that, pre-NJT, the terminal served the buses of many different independent carriers......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:25 am Post subject: |
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More vanished history; the now-demolished TRAILWAYS station at Greenville, North Carolina......
https://www.roadarch.com/bus/nc.html
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Here are two former GREYHOUND depots in South Carolina; note the "UNION BUS DEPOT" sign on the old Spartanburg station's facade......
https://www.roadarch.com/bus/sc.html
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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In "RAILS TO SAN FRANCISCO BAY" (Demoro/Sappers), there is a 1947 photo showing a MUNI 1200-series streetcar turning onto Mission Street from 5th Street.
In the background, a large electric depot sign for "PACIFIC GREYHOUND" can be seen.
Another picture, taken in late 1938, shows a train of new KEY SYSTEM "Bridge Units" on a test run, using the new tracks on the lower level of the Bay Bridge.
In the background, on the right, a glimpse of the tail end of a GREYHOUND (later model front-engined YELLOW) is seen.
One interesting photo from 1957 shows a GREYHOUND Silversides making a train connection at the SP's Oakland Pier terminal.
By this late date, some ferry runs were discontinued as an economy measure, with GREYHOUND buses transporting passengers into San Frisco, instead of the ferries, which were abandoned in 1958, when Oakland Pier also closed......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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In "ELECTRIC RAILWAY PIONEER" (Demoro) there is a photo taken in 1960, showing the old NWP station house at San Anselmo (which served NWP's electric commuter trains until 1941), being used as a GREYHOUND station.
The station had not changed at all since it was serving the NWP's electrics, although the rails had long since vanished.
Sometime later, this historic and charming depot was torn down, replaced by a large intersection.
Progress..........
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:24 am Post subject: |
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...........after the NWP abandoned electric train and ferryboat service in 1941, PGL buses began operating from Sansome and Sacramento streets to the Sausalito terminal, replacing the ferry connections for the NWP's four remaining main-line trains.
Then, main-line trains were shifted over to Tiburon, but bus connections were made at San Rafael.
Interestingly, later on, Mill Valley residents endorsed a municipal bus line; and five buses were ordered.
However, this plan was not implemented because of WW2 transportation regulations; the five buses were sold to GREYHOUND.
By 1940, a year before the NWP abandoned electric train and ferryboat service, GREYHOUND was already providing service to Marin.
In that same year, PGL took delivery of 84 YELLOW TD-4502's; PGL also purchased TD-3607's.
At its peak,as we already know, PGL operated extensive suburban commuter routes in several California metropolitan areas......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Back now on the East Coast, here's a few glimpses of former GREYHOUND stations in Alabama.......
https://www.roadarch.com/bus/al.html
From these, and other links I've posted in this topic, which link to photo pages of former GREYHOUND (and TRAILWAYS) stations, it is quite clear that a very precious few (if any) of the sleek facilities of long ago still are used by buses and their passengers.......
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traildriver
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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The interior shot of that Oakland terminal is amazing. The domed ceiling and arched concourse and other interior detailing is awesome. What a difference from later starkly functional terminals.
And it makes one want to cry at seeing those substantial small city terminals, which were one time vibrant hubs, now replaced by......curbside loading if anything.... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver wrote: |
The interior shot of that Oakland terminal is amazing. The domed ceiling and arched concourse and other interior detailing is awesome. What a difference from later starkly functional terminals.
And it makes one want to cry at seeing those substantial small city terminals, which were one time vibrant hubs, now replaced by......curbside loading if anything.... |
traildriver:
That truly breathtaking interior of the concourse at Oakland easily recalls a "classical" house of worship, or a European museum hall.....how much pride went into the designing of public structures, way back in the day.
Today, IF a terminal structure is used (as opposed to curbside loading) it's a given that it will be a stark, cold, modern facility*, with about as much architectural grace and individuality as a modern shopping mall.
How the old small-city "downtown" stations were taken for granted; those that survive today, overwhelmingly, have not seen a bus in decades, or, they have been totally and completely eradicated from the landscape.
So much for "progress".......
"NYO"
*Today's "new and improved" PABT is a perfect example of classic-era bus station defacement........... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Recalling the former GREYHOUND station in Green Bay, Wisconsin......hardly an inspired, noteworthy structure, except for, perhaps, a convenience store..............
https://www.roadarch.com/bus/wi.html |
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