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Buses in "Honeymooners" movie/1950's TV show
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also.......

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_959491-Buick-Century-63-1955.html

(courtesy: imcdb.org)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If "Ralph Kramden" had been an actual bus driver......

Let's say that Ralph started driving for FACCo. in 1940.

I love the idea of Ralph behind the wheel of an old YELLOW open-topper double decker; Ralph, HATING when crowds stormed aboard his bus needing change, would have liked driving one of these ancient vehicles, as ALL responsibilities regarding fare collecting were that of the CONDUCTOR, leaving him only to deal with the traffic.

Giving his legendary, explosive short fuse, I don't think that Ralph would have liked the "Queen Mary" buses at all; not only would he have had to collect fares, BUT, he's also has passengers UP and DOWN!

I know Ralph would have been QUITE pleased had he been assigned to drive air-conditioned #3100 (recall, he complained of how hot he got during the summer); this MIGHT, however, made it more difficult for him to man up to heading home in the evening to a hot, cramped Brooklyn apartment!

It could have interesting, indeed.......Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Play Ball!"........

In the 2005 "HONEYMOONERS" movie, both Ralph and Norton are die-hard Mets fans (!!) Wink

When this film was made, "Dem Bums" (the Brooklyn Dodgers), had been gone from the hallowed (and long-since demolished) Ebbets Field for nearly 50 years.

It is QUITE easy to imagine the original Ralph & Norton using public transportation to head over to Ebbets Field for a Dodger game (both guys clearly would have consumed QUITE a few hot dogs!)

Back then, you couldn't get more "Brooklyn-ese" than the Dodgers, the BMT, and Coney Island........ Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can also recall several bus-oriented "short skits" on "The Jackie Gleason Show", many years ago (one guess who played the driver in these little skits!) Wink

Back in the early 2000's, one of our local cable stations ran the "color" Honeymooners, and I got a good chuckle where, in one episode (in the intro scene) we see a model of the "GOTHAM BUS COMPANY" depot, with a toy bus (tin litho!) entering the building (obviously on a string pulled by a prop guy on the other side!) Shocked Shocked Shocked

Ya GOTTA love "lo-tech" special effects! Wink

The episode itself actually opened with Ralph and a group of other drivers in the locker room, getting ready to wrap up their day and head home.

I still get a kick out of this one!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On page #247 in "THE OFFICIAL HONEYMOONERS TREASURY", there is a picture of "the original bus driver's union pin, worn by Ralph Kramden"(1955)

That this ultra-rare relic still survives is indeed a miracle!Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackie Gleason's "Ralph Kramden" drove Old Looks.

Cedric The Entertainer's "Ralph" drove RTS and ORION coaches.

(would not have minded Cedric's "Ralph" piloting a Fishbowl, using a Museum bus) Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought......

With Jackie Gleason's (as "Ralph") super-short fuse and bombastic rantings, I'm willing to wager that he would not be driving an MTA bus for more than a day or two these days (chances are, he'd walk (storm!) off the job before he was fired!) Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mention must be made of a mid-1950's Warner Brothers cartoon, "THE HONEY-MOUSERS"; here, Ralph, Alice, and Norton are mice, living in a brownstone mouse hole "apartment", with "Ralph" driving a toy windup bus! Shocked

"Ralph" is wearing his bus driver's uniform jacket and cap, while "Norton" is wearing his trademark hat-and-vest-over-T-shirt outfit! Very Happy

Only one other cartoon of the "Honey-Mousers" was made; however, it DOES go to show you just how popular "The Honeymooners" and its characters were, back in the day....... Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not related to "The Honeymooners", per se, but, an early 1960's theatrical "Bugs Bunny" cartoon featured two hobos, riding in a box car. that were obviously Ralph and Norton! Shocked

There was also a mid/late 1950's Warner Brothers "Tweety & Sylvester" cartoon, which was a modern-day spoof on "Red Riding Hood".

Here, "Red" is riding a city bus out to see "Grandma", bringing her a pet canary, "Tweety".

Sylvester chases the bus for miles, before "Red's" stop is reached.

At the end of the short, Sylvester tries to board the bus again (with Red & Tweety aboard) and a fist shoots out of the bus door, clobbering the hapless Sylvester.

The bus driver is none other than "Granny", who admonishes Sylvester thusly:

"I told you! One of these days....."

Tweety Bird and Red Riding Hood now chime in together (from the safety of the bus): "POW! RIGHT IN THE KISSER!"


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(Easy to see where THIS inspiration came from!) Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you think of Jackie Gleason's many entertaining characters "Joe the Bartender", "The Poor Soul", "Reginald Van Gleason", et al, and ask the "average" person who these characters were, you'd probably receive a blank stare.

Mention "Ralph Kramden", on the other hand, and, rest assured, there will be instant recognition! Very Happy

Given his tremendous and many talents (we cannot forget his many musical accomplishments), it is no wonder Mr. Gleason became known to all as "The Great One"........ Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....given the current health emergency, one good way to "keep your sanity" is to watch "THE HONEYMOONERS" (if you have them on DVD, as I do)

Those timeless laughs (fat jokes, especially!) are MUCH needed today; with Ralph, Norton, Alice, and Trixie nearby, it's easy to forget the current situation (if only for a while) and laugh a little! Laughing

STAY SAFE AND HEALTHY, GENTLEMEN! Wink

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a documentry included on "THE HONEYMOONERS" dvd (movie), it's mentioned that some scenes with Ralph's bus were filmed at the MTA depot, in back of Shea (RIP) Stadium.

What depot is this, and what routes are based here?

Also, what bus routes ran/run in the Chauncey St. area of Brooklyn?

Thanks for any input.....

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
In a documentry included on "THE HONEYMOONERS" dvd (movie), it's mentioned that some scenes with Ralph's bus were filmed at the MTA depot, in back of Shea (RIP) Stadium.

What depot is this, and what routes are based here?

Also, what bus routes ran/run in the Chauncey St. area of Brooklyn?

Thanks for any input.....

"NYO"

That's now known as the "Casey Stengel" depot. The TA routes that were mostly from the North Shore Bus Co., radiating out of Flushing use that depot.
It is adjacent to the subway yard for the '7' line., at the Willets Point Blvd. station.

As for Brooklyn...
https://new.mta.info/map/5261
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

For your efforts, you've been nominated as "Raccoon Of The Year"! Wink

Thanks! Very Happy

This is just what I wanted to know.

Hard to believe that the "Honeymooners" movie is now 15 years old already, and that we are now looking back with nostalgia at the days of the RTS.....WHERE does time go?? Shocked

LOVE the shots where you see trains on the former BMT el rumbling by the Kramden's and the Norton's apartment building, complete with some brilliant third rail arcing at night (back in the days when R-40's/42's could still be savored each day, positioning yourself at the railfan window!) Wink

(recall, in the original "Honeymooners", Alice's mother (Mrs. Gibson), complains to Alice (in one episode) about the four-block walk from the subway to the Kramden's apartment house?

Well, you can't get ANY closer to the subway than having the "el" rattling and rumbling right outside your apartment windows! Razz

Back in 2005, the RTS was the "senior" member of the MTA bus fleet, with the Fishbowls off the roster for close to a decade.....again, time flies MUCH too fast!

"NYO"

(I would have LOVED to have seen how they trained that goofy greyhound, "Iggy", for the movie; that dog was a character! (and REALLY handsome!) Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding "THE HONEYMOONERS" television show..........

I wonder, when the original show was being put together, how it came about that Ralph would be driving a bus in Manhattan, instead of, say, his "home borough" of Brooklyn? (the "BROOKLYN MUNICIPAL BUS COMPANY", perhaps?)

Also, who came up with the name "GOTHAM BUS COMPANY"? (the answer to this one is, more than likely, lost to the ages!)

I still enjoying imagining Ralph behind the wheel of a SURFACE bus, or, perhaps, a FACCo. Old Look..... Wink

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