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The Cruise Ship Companies: What Is The Future?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Life expectancy" (for cruise ships)......

In the classic ocean liner disaster flick of 1960 ("THE LAST VOYAGE"), there is concern over the ship's age among several officers.

One officer remarks: "You know the life expectancy of a ship.....thirty years, and we're eight years over that already."

The Captain: ".....the 'Claridon' and a hundred other ships....."

Another officer replies: "....most of which have been refitted, or have had a complete overhaul; we've had neither."

This is making me think of what the (average) age of a modern cruise ship reaches when it is deemed to be retired from active service?

One tends to forget that, with the classic liners of old, the ships themselves were subject to rust, metal fatigue, old fittings, aging electric equipment, etc.

In the aforementioned film, there are several telling scenes (close-ups of the exterior of the superstructure beneath the promenade deck; the retired French Line "ILE DE FRANCE", which was retired in 1958, was the major "prop" for the film) rust is clearly visible in many locations.

It was obvious, also, that, as well-built as these majestic ocean monarchs were, time, wear, and tear eventually caught up with them.

The complex ganglia of aging fuel, oil, and steam lines, also, were a major factor in a liner's life expectancy (this was, as noted, also, touched upon early in the film)

Recall, also, into the 1960's, steam-powered ships (liners and freighters) were still commonplace; being steam-powered, these stately vessels indeed were becoming more and more costly to operate, not to mention labor intensive.

Still, as with all vessels, a retirement date is forever in their future, once they have reached a point where they are no longer economically feasible to operate and/or repair.......

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "MV ASTORIA"*; this historic and majestic vessel entered service in 1948, and was rebuilt as a cruise ship in 1993.

She is today the oldest such ship still plying the deep waters...... Wink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Astoria

*(Recall, also, her fateful collision with the "ANDREA DORIA" in 1956, as the "STOCKHOLM")

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The long-lived "MV DUNNOTAR CASTLE", with a career of over six decades......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Dunnottar_Castle

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2023 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recalling the majestic "S.S. ROTTERDAM", in service for over 40 years before retirement (today, serving as a floating hotel/museum in Holland)....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Rotterdam

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(I still have fond memories of my much younger years, when the HOLLAND-AMERICA ships still docked at Hoboken) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1967 was not a happy year for the "maritime enthusiasts" in the NY Harbor area.....

In late April, when the Aldene Plan took affect, the CNJ's Jersey City terminal closed down, and the trains were re-routed into Newark's Penn Station.

This, of course, spelled doom for the CNJ's Liberty St. ferry, then operating with two original steamboats and two leased ex-69th St. diesels.

That September, the majestic, iconic Cunard liner "QUEEN MARY" left New York on her final transatlantic crossing, amid much fanfare (this was also her 1,001st crossing)

She was also the last of the classic liners to have three stacks.

She was, originally, intended for conversion into a floating New York high school; that, of course, fell through, and she was then slated to become an Australian immigrant ship.

Then, the Grande Dame of the Atlantic was to become a hotel at Gibraltar.

She finally ended her sailing days at Long Beach, California, where she was converted into a floating hotel/convention center/museum.

Ironically, just as she was opening at Long Beach, her not-so-fortunate sister, the "QUEEN ELIZABETH" was burning and sinking in Hong Kong Harbor, while being converted into a floating university, "SEAWISE UNIVERSITY" (1972)

Her charred, twisted, gutted remains were scrapped on the spot two years later.....a sad and tragic ending for one of the most legendary liners of all time.......

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Elizabeth *

*(She made her final crossing in 1068, one year after her sister, "QUEEN MARY")
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Recalling the majestic "S.S. ROTTERDAM", in service for over 40 years before retirement (today, serving as a floating hotel/museum in Holland)....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Rotterdam

["HOLLAND-AMERICA LINE"]

(I still have fond memories of my much younger years, when the HOLLAND-AMERICA ships still docked at Hoboken) Very Happy


That was “Rotterdam V” (the fifth HAL ship to bear that name). HAL likes to reuse names of their retired ships.
There was a “Rotterdam VI”, recently retired, and now a new “Rotterdam”, the seventh one to bear that name…
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Talk about "recycling"! Wink

Quite awhile back, I had mentioned that my older brother (RIP), back in the early 1960's, had a buddy he went to high school with; he was then working at the HOLLAND-AMERICA pier in Hoboken.

I can remember riding down to the pier in my brother's '55 Chevy, and then, being issued passes to allow us to stroll about the decks.....even got to meet a few of the crew!

Man, what a thrill!

We even went down on several occasions to see the nighttime sailings.....NEVER to be forgotten, for certain!

I recall one of the ships we "toured" was the "NIEUW AMSTERDAM; like all of the classic liners of that era even when docked, the liners had such a silent, yet powerful, aura of dignity and grace, towering above the rows of parked autos, making them look like so many ants.

How thankful I am for such wonderful memories, never to be duplicated again.........

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The impressive "MS BOREALIS" (formerly "MS ROTTERDAM")..........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Borealis
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also*:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_America_Line

(Impressive photos of impressive ships!) Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've been reading (and hearing) the cruise ship sector is making tremendous strides in making a comeback after several years of COVID bringing the cruise ship sector to a grinding halt..

Bookings are up sharply, and, right now,it would seem that the industry is pulling out all stops to get things back to where they were, pre-COVID.

I am sure that a lot of OOS "mothballed" cruise ships are now either back in service, or being prepared to soon be sailing the high seas, with thousands of pleasure-seekers aboard...... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting (but dated, written back in 2021) article......

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/travel/cruise-industry-comeback.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting articles and some nice photos....... Wink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Caribbean_International

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Pacific

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"BIG" News............

Scheduled to enter service in early 2024, the monolithic "ICON OF THE SEAS" will be the world's largest cruise ship upon entering service.

Boasting 20 decks (yup, 20 decks!), a water park, water slides, and many other "amusements" (including a waterfall!) this ship (IMHO) is more of a "floating resort" than a ship! Shocked Shocked Shocked

It's propulsion system and fuels are a far, far cry from even the most advanced diesel engines of only a few decades ago.

If I heard that the next new cruise ship was being built with a football field on board, I would NOT at all be surprised (imagine pro football being played far out in the ocean!)

It still staggers my mind that anything this HUGE can FLOAT!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

See;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_of_the_Seas
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that seems big, this might impress you. And, it was built nearly a half-centruy ago... Smile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawise_Giant
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