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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offside view of MSBA Fishbowl #659; note only one small rear ad frame adorns the side.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156547

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offside view of MSBA Fishbowl #426; this bus carriers two small rear side ad frames, one behind the rear wheel......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156526

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AVENUE B #605 (three small ad frames per side).......

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PSNJ/TNJ/NJT Fishbowl X-381 displaying three small nearside ad frames, back in 1981 (32nd St., Union City, my old stomping grounds!).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155378

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New York Omnibus 2629... regarding your comment about a/c condenser mounted ad racks...

I took the following two photos sometime in the late 1970s...

The first is the rear end of 7753, the only "Dangerfield" with batwings. This bus attracted my attention and I took this view as it was pulling away from the curb. Note the lack of the batwing destination sign.

(I love that engine hatch swinging in the breeze!)

The second is a cropped view of the rear of number 9260... you barely see the brackets holding the ad rack on the a/c condenser.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, regarding the two small ad racks with the rear wheel between them...

Here we see samples of ex-Fifth Avenue Coach fishbowls.

(#3164...still in FaCo colors but with the roof MaBSTOA script, also, note the blank side destination and the wrong side placement of the front sign.)

(#3194... in MaBSTOA colors but with a blank front sign, note the hand printed dash sign "4 to Penn Station. The side sign only shows "4". Also, note the front mounted small ad rack.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A factory view of 5270 from the second batch of MaBSTOA's TDH-5303. Note the ad racks and destination signs were mounted at the factory.

Note that the side destination sign reads "106 42 St XTOWN" while the front shows "30 to 145 ST & BWAY".

Route 106 was based at 54th Street Depot and route 30 was based at Amsterdam. This proves that side destinatrions (as well as those on the batwings) contained the routes that were based in Manhattan. But 5270 was based at 54th Street!

#8546 shows the location, as delivered, of the ad racks. Note the three digit route box sign mounted on the rear bulkhead. Also, note the lack of exterior right side rear view mirror.

BTW, something I always found interesting is that all of the newly bought fishbowls, and "Dangerfields" excluding those with back-lit ads, had horizontal and vertical ad racks centered on each passenger window.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15:

MANY THANKS for these AWESOME and NOSTALGIC photos! Wink

Way back in the day, Your's Truly was also "out in the field", taking snaps of "Joisey" buses, with his trusty ol' KODAK Instamatic! Wink

I never saw anything like this in New Jersey; though TNJ had "batwing" Fishbowls, I never saw even one of the mid-1970's NJDOT "Dangerfields" with batwings, nor did I ever see any with ad racks installed over the rear a/c units.

In the book "SUBWAY ART" (Cooper/Chalfant, 1984) there is a photo that shows a rear view of "Dangerfield" #7738, passing under the elevated IRT, somewhere up in "Da Bronx".

A small "42" is visible in the rear window's lower right corner.

It carried an empty (and grizzled) ad frame over the a/c unit, (photo was clearly shot on a cold winter's day).......

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oradell, NJ, 1974.

Here we see first generation Fishbowl (ex-PSNJ) #T-307 equipped with batwings.

Note how the batwing ads are peeling; even the "regular" placards in the ad frames seem to be having issues......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155350

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
Now, regarding the two small ad racks with the rear wheel between them...

Here we see samples of ex-Fifth Avenue Coach fishbowls.


(#3164...still in FaCo colors but with the roof MaBSTOA script, also, note the blank side destination and the wrong side placement of the front sign.)


(#3194... in MaBSTOA colors but with a blank front sign, note the hand printed dash sign "4 to Penn Station. The side sign only shows "4". Also, note the front mounted small ad rack.


#5220... from the second batch of TDH-5303 built for MaBSTOA

#3164 and #3194 were both ex-Surface Transit Fishbowls (although as noted they were painted in FACL green and cream), the last 50 built for the combined FACL/ST entity in late 1960. Those pics were from when the #4 was based out of the ex-Surface Kingsbridge depot/garage, which was apparently closer to its northern terminus of The Cloisters and Fort Tryon Park than 132nd Street to which that route would be reassigned in September 1963. (That fact is why, after going back there, all #4 front roll signs with the format of the first order to MaBSTOA appeared hand-painted vs. the #2, 3 and 5 lines that were based there.)

As for #5220, the side sign looks like the route description is 'BROADWAY AVE AMERICAS'. By 1967 it had been changed on side signs to 'BWAY-7th AVE AMERICAS' on non-'Batwings' like that one, and a stylized 'OF' inserted between 'AVE' and 'AMERICAS' on 'Batwing' side signs. That also appears to be the first set of buses to have a somewhat larger ad rack on the front compared to the other two pics.[/img]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two photos of MaBSTOA batwinged "Dangerfield" #7753 at Park Row & Beekman, 1982................

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155498

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155499

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:


A factory view of 5270 from the second batch of MaBSTOA's TDH-5303. Note the ad racks and destination signs were mounted at the factory.

Note that the side destination sign reads "106 42 St XTOWN" while the front shows "30 to 145 ST & BWAY".

Route 106 was based at 54th Street Depot and route 30 was based at Amsterdam. This proves that side destinatrions (as well as those on the batwings) contained the routes that were based in Manhattan. But 5270 was based at 54th Street!



#8546 shows the location, as delivered, of the ad racks. Note the three digit route box sign mounted on the rear bulkhead. Also, note the lack of exterior right side rear view mirror.

BTW, something I always found interesting is that all of the newly bought fishbowls, and "Dangerfields" excluding those with back-lit ads, had horizontal and vertical ad racks centered on each passenger window.

Route #30 (actually, Bx30) was pingponged every few years between Amsterdam and 146th Street. It's likely as of 1964 #30 was at 146th (I saw some documents to that effect; it was at Amsterdam as of 1968). But as you said about both route #106 and bus #5270 . . .

And as I noted, the third set of buses for MaBSTOA (6401-6900) - and second set of 'Dangerfields' for the TA (5601-5790) - were the first where the rear windows were 4-piece from the time they came out of the factory (up to the second MaBSTOA order and first order of TA 'Dangerfields', the rear windows were 3-piece; and those were the first to have side signs). I've always said it was a shame that not even a small percentage of either order of 'Dangerfields', when first arrived, were allotted to the TA's Manhattan bus division.

Now, between then and 1969, at what point would those second rear side ad racks have been taken out?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
PSNJ/TNJ/NJT Fishbowl X-381 displaying three small nearside ad frames, back in 1981 (32nd St., Union City, my old stomping grounds!).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155378

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The only thing I can't figure out is whether that time/temperature display outside that bank at far left is Time-O-Matic or American Sign & Indicator. (Yes, I've figured out even that.)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

That bank, on the corner of 32nd St. and Bergenline Avenue (the street the bus is on) has been standing since the early 1900's.

I well remember that time/temperature sign; it was flashing out its messages for many years; it was in use from the time I was in grade school, at least.

PS streetcars of the "UNION CITY" line ran down Bergenline until August, 1949.

DAVIS toy store (both the business and the Art-Deco store building have been gone for many years) was a popular establishment from the late 1930's and for the next several decades (I still have a few buses from that store, now at least 60 years old!)

Growing up, this busy corner was only a five-minute bus ride (PSNJ #16 or #17) away from our apartment building on 13th St., just off Hudson (now Kennedy) Boulevard.

Yup, my old stomping grounds, for sure! Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This 1981 photo (showing ex-ORANGE & BLACK #666, heading into the PABT, south on Bergenline Avenue) was taken just a few blocks north of where the TNJ Fishbowl was caught on 32nd St.

Today, NJT buses are indeed in the minority here, as hoards of jitney vans now dominate the scene. Sad

Note, in the background, the old PSNJ line pole, supporting the traffic light; this pole supported trolley wires for the "UNION CITY" line until 1949.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156442

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