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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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(see previous postings)
Also from the aforementioned McCausland book......
"..............TMC had some success with other alternative fuels, notably compressed natural gas. A number were sent to Triboro* and Command in New York, sporting the gas tanks in large pods on tops of the buses........"
"NYO"
*(no photos of these buses at nycsubway.org)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Always wondered if NJT ever considered the CNG-powered RTS?
Then again, by the time NJT purchased their first "mainstream" RTS about 1997, the RTS was already well-established in "Noo Yawk".
Would have loved to have seen new CNG-powered RTS purchased by the "Em-Tee-Yay"............ 
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Recalling now the new Fishbowls "stoa" purchased in 1973 for the replacement of the "Toid Aven-uh" El trains.
It would have been interesting, to say the least, if a like number of "Dangerfields" had been purchased instead.
Somehow, (at least to Your's Truly) the humble "Dangerfield" seemed to be quite "at home" up in "da Bronx", being, for all practicle purposes) the "poor man's Fishbowl".....................
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Recalling now the new Fishbowls "stoa" purchased in 1973 for the replacement of the "Toid Aven-uh" El trains.
It would have been interesting, to say the least, if a like number of "Dangerfields" had been purchased instead.
Somehow, (at least to Your's Truly) the humble "Dangerfield" seemed to be quite "at home" up in "da Bronx", being, for all practicle purposes) the "poor man's Fishbowl".....................
"NYO"
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The funny thing is, after the purchase of their last Fishbowls in 1973 (which saw the last 60 in the order - 4860-4919 - all go to Kingsbridge where they served the new Bx55 - as well as allowing the last of the FACL/ST first-gen Fishbowls to be retired), was when they started ordering "Dangerfields" by the dozen - and yet where'd the only " 'stoa" order of 1973-74 go? Manhattan - all 62 (7300-7361), to the Hudson depot (just in time for the M15 23rd Street Crosstown to become M26). Some of the 1975 order (7700-7937) went to "da Bronx" (but not, from what I could tell, that "Toid Aven-yah" route), but a good number also went to routes that served the "tonier" sections of Manhattan (including Fifth and Madison Avenues). '77 (9160-9319) was also all over the place, boroughs-wise. It did, in a way, run up "Toid Aven-yah" - in Manhattan, and down Lexington. In this way, they had a bit more respect than their forebears going back to the 1964 "Tee-Yay" order (not one of those had even a token reassignment to any of their five Manhattan routes). |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
GREAT selection of photos; each and every one a trip back in time.....thanks for posting!
This, now, has me thinking of "batwings".
Was there a "quota" for buses equipped with batwings; I always wondered why the entire fleet of Fishbowls and "Dangerfields" were not so equipped.
Recall, also, the one lone "Borough Bomber" that WAS fitted for batwings (would more "Bombers" have been carrying batwings had it not been for the infamous."Bomber Blitz"?)
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
GREAT selection of photos; each and every one a trip back in time.....thanks for posting!
This, now, has me thinking of "batwings".
Was there a "quota" for buses equipped with batwings; I always wondered why the entire fleet of Fishbowls and "Dangerfields" were not so equipped.
Recall, also, the one lone "Borough Bomber" that WAS fitted for batwings (would more "Bombers" have been carrying batwings had it not been for the infamous."Bomber Blitz"?)
"NYO"
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I suspect that if the 'Tee-Yay' had allotted just a few of the 1965-66 order of 'Dangerfields' to Manhattan, they may've carried 'batwings' - not unlike a photo I uploaded round these parts some time back of a CTA 'Dangerfield' with batwings from the Windy City. That's the other thing: Until the 1966-67 order which first introduced A/C to city buses, batwings seemed to be a "Manhattan thing," given how the 1965-66 " 'stoa" order of Fishbowls had the first 300 without batwings allotted to "da Bronx" while those with them all initially were exclusively for Manhattan. This became moot, however, with the 1967 order of their first A/C buses, all of which had "batwings" - 'da Bronx' got the first 75 of the " 'stoa" order and Manhattan the remaining 405, while Brooklyn and Queens got the first 122 of the "Tee-Yay's" set of A/C batwings (while Manhattan got the last 80). (However, the late 1968 "Tee-Yay" order of T6H-5305A's had 50 [8829-8878] batwinged - some went to Brooklyn, the others Staten Island, and in that case that whole order - and that of 1971 [4300-4499] - had about as much respect as the 1964-66 "Flxies" - i.e. not much at all.) |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Here's "stoa" GRUMMAN (aka "Borough Bomber") #631 back in 1982, the only one to carry "batwings"...............
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154036
(courtesy:nycsubway.org)
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Only two of the 19 photos in that set showed pics of "Dangerfields" with batwings. The front end on the "N'awlins" buses was wrong, though. If you trawl through for the "See-Tee-Yay" pic of the batwinged "Dangerfield," - oh wait, here it is:
I can easily imagine that on any of the 1965-66 "Tee-Yay" order - had any part of it gone to Manhattan. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:39 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
That "Dangerfield" picture also serves to remind us of the days when BUSES still looked like BUSES....and that was a LOOOOONG time ago!
I do like picturing at least some of the NJDOT's "Dangefields" being fitted out with batwings.
But, realistically, by that late date, batwings were beginning their eventual phase-out; recall, in "Noo Yawk", the beginning of the elimination of the sign box over the rear exit doors..........
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Curious---------just WHAT led to the "official" disappearance of the "stoa" signature on the buses? The lettering was indeed quite insignificant-to be sure-in later years-but at least you KNEW it was a "stoa" bus------------"NYO |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | | Curious---------just WHAT led to the "official" disappearance of the "stoa" signature on the buses? The lettering was indeed quite insignificant-to be sure-in later years-but at least you KNEW it was a "stoa" bus------------"NYO |
If you're talkin' 'bout 'the '60's . . . first of all, the "batwings." Though there was a semblance of their script on the front of the "batwing" covers on the last 10 buses of the 1964-65 set, it was with the last 200 of the 1965-66 order that the red-and-blue 'OA' logo would be first seen - and then on all the 480 buses of 1966-67. Then by the time the first A/C "Dangerfields" were ordered in 1969-70, the "Em-Tee-Yay" had taken over, and it was for these same reasons why the "Tee-Yay's" script type above the passenger windows disappeared.
The last "Tee-Yay" buses with the above-passenger-window signature were 5601-5790; the last for " 'stoa" with theirs were 6401-6700. The "Em-Tee-Yay" did away with all that on new buses, starting with the 1968 order of T6H-5305A A/C "Mini-Bullets." What with the 'M' logo near the front on each side . . . |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| WB: Appreciate this info: this Your's Truly already knew about (thanks to experst such as yourself); what I was referring was the QUITE tiny "stoa" lettering just behind the front door (here Your's Truly is referring to what the buses carried in the later years-using the RTS "Torpedo" to allude to what I had been thinking of)-------personally-I think that when the last of the "OA" badges disappeared-as well as the styish script crowning the windows-the original "stoa" era ended-----------"NYO" |
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