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What does the future hold for the PABT?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

History and operation of the "XBL" (Express Bus Lanes); the inception of these lanes dates back to 1970.......

www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnels/lincoln-tunnel-xbl.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the Holland Tunnel opened, in the decade prior to the opening of the Lincoln Tunnel, it marked the dawn of a new era in bus transportation in New Jersey.

For the first time, buses from New Jersey could operate directly into New York, enabling commuters to bypass the trans-Hudson ferries.

DE CAMP quickly established a new bus line into lower Manhattan; the "NEW YORK LINE" , operating from Orange, operated into Newark via the same route used by their local Newark buses.

From Broad St., Newark, New York-bound buses traveled to the Jersey City & Newark Turnpike, thence passing through Jersey City (via several local thoroughfares) to reach the Holland Tunnel.

The new Orange-New York line also served DE CAMP riders from Morristown, Livingston, and Caldwell, by means of a through tariff and coordinated schedules; fifteen new YELLOWS were purchased for the new services into Manhattan......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_Tunnel
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the early 1960's, the new, modernistic George Washington Bridge Bus Station opened, replacing the old independent bus stations in the area.

Known to many as the "other Port Authority terminal", this facility had seen much decline over the years, and has recently undergone much renovation.

Prior to this station's opening, a number of NJ operators had their own depots in the area, including PNSJ, INTER-CITY, and RED & TAN.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Bridge_Bus_Station
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two nostalgic views (circa-1955) showing buses at the old PS terminal (W. 168th St.), which was in use until the new GWB Terminal opened, nearly a decade later......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?157235

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?157228

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
From an (undated) issue of "MOTOR COACH AGE" (the issue featured the history of DE CAMP).......


"NYO"


Hi NYO,

Your page may have been undated but the issue of MCA was not - it was June 1978.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another of my many "alternate" scenarios......

Quite a few years ago, I started thinking about the PA building a new, twin-tube tunnel, reserved for buses only, in the vicinity of the Weehawken/Hoboken border.

This tunnel would have it Manhattan portals somewhere in the vicinity of about 23rd St.

Or, in another scenario I tossed around in my head, would be to build this same bus-only tunnel, but have the NY exits either just north or just south of the existing Lincoln Tunnel portals.

A new terminal would be connected to these new tubes, and, would basically be along the lines of the present GWB terminal.

The purpose of this new tunnel/terminal would have been to alleviate at least some of the horrendous gridlock/congestion that has plagued the Lincoln Tunnel and the PABT for decades now.

Of course, this is only a far-fetched fantasy, but, IMHO, it is always interesting to dream up your own transit scenarios....... Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few interesting excerpts from the PA's Annual Report for 1969.....

".......the Port Authority has acquired the necessary property for an extension to the present bus terminal at 41st St. and 8th Avenue. The extension will increase capacity of the terminal by 50% to meet increased demands on the facility by both commuter and long-haul passengers. Designing work on the extension is now under way......."

".......the plan provides for the extension of existing operating level directly into a contiguous site located on a portion on the block north of the terminal......"

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
From an (undated) issue of "MOTOR COACH AGE" (the issue featured the history of DE CAMP).......


"NYO"


Hi NYO,

Your page may have been undated but the issue of MCA was not - it was June 1978.


X-Astorian:

Thank you for this information; as the cover of my issue was long ago lost, I had no idea just when the issue came out, but was leaning towards the late 70's (at the time this issue was printed, the article on DE CAMP stated that the Company was seeking to abandon the #22 line (JSQ-Caldwell)

This line has now been gone many, many years; Mom and I rode it many times back in the 60's, to visit relatives who then lived in West Orange.

This was back when ACF-BRILLS and Old Looks held down the #22 runs...... Very Happy

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also from the aforementioned Port Authority Annual Report (1969):

"........during 1969, passenger activity continued at high levels at both the Port Authority Bus Terminal and the George Washington Bus Station, in spite of a series of labor disputes which affected carrier service......."

".......the Port Authority Bus Terminal serves more than 220,000 passengers on an average weekday. There were 1,235,000 bus departures at the Terminal in 1969. This figure, comprised of 851,000 short haul, and 384,000 long-haul departures, is slightly below that of 1968, and reflects the strikes by several bus carriers' drivers......"

(GWB Terminal):

".......during 1969, the seventh year of its operation, more than 12,900,000 passengers were handled on 530,000 arriving and departing buses. The Station serves as a focal point for commuters from Bergen and Rockland Counties, where the construction of vast numbers of private dwellings has generated a large volume of bus commutation, over the year........"

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:


Thank you for this information; as the cover of my issue was long ago lost, I had no idea just when the issue came out, but was leaning towards the late 70's (at the time this issue was printed, the article on DE CAMP stated that the Company was seeking to abandon the #22 line (JSQ-Caldwell)

"NYO"


I've attached the June 1978 cover so it can be reunited with the undated pages. ; ]

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

X-Astorian:

Yup, that's the "MIA" cover I well remember! Wink

Prior to the opening of the GWB in 1932, and the first tube of the Lincoln Tunnel in 1937, the Canal St. area really hummed with buses arriving and departing, to and from New Jersey points.

DE CAMP, for many years prior to the opening of the new PABT in 1950, had a "storefront" depot at Herald Square, in the sinewy shadow of the 6th Avenue El.

After the GWB opened, the Manhattan end buses with several open-air terminals, somewhat reminiscent of Jersey City's Journal Square, prior to the opening of the PATH Transportation Center in 1974.

Recall, also, the many, long-gone "Fallen Flags" companies that served both terminals, for so many decades.....a true "rainbow fleet", to be sure....... Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the mighty GWB opened to traffic, it became an important "player", if you will, in the "bus business", regarding New Jersey companies.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Bridge *

*(A number of historic photos on this page)

New Jersey bus commuters, from Rockland and Bergen counties, bound for midtown or downtown Manhattan, could transfer to the then-new IND 8th Avenue subway, which, originally, was to have crossed the lower level of the span (which did not open until the early 1960's, for vehicular traffic)

Interestingly, MARX (famed mechanical toy maker of the day) manufactured colorful, wind-up "replicas" of both the GWB and the Lincoln Tunnel (both also featured a miniature bus or two!)

These colorful toys, today, are now VERY rare and VERY costly collectors items.....

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two vintage tt's from my collection:

The older of the two timetables dates to 1965; this tt is for "WESTWOOD" ("Ride The Blue Coach"); Route #56 buses used Platform #30 at the GWB station; the tt also mentions "direct connections to New York subways to the World's Fair".

The newer of the two timetables (from 1973) is for "MANHATTAN LINES" ("Ride The Red Bus"); here, the aforementioned Route #56 is now a MANHATTAN LINES route, and still departing from Platform #30.......

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few nostalgic views of "MANHATTAN LINES" Fishbowls.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156505

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156507

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156500

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a very interesting page on Jerusalem's "PABT"; some interesting photos (w/buses) are on this page.

Interesting information on ventilation and bus operations as well.

Also, note that there is a (kosher) McDONALD'S and a TOWER RECORDS in the main concourse! Wink

Also of interest is the photo showing the interior, where the buses load......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_central_bus_station

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv_central_bus_station

It's interesting to compare these two modern Middle Eastern terminals with our own "Port".......

"NYO"


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