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Now that the RTS is history.....what might be the new "
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W.B. Fishbowl



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may've been a "PITA" for those operators, but I still say Luminator was "least objectionable" compared to Vultron/TransDot.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
They may have been a "PITA" for those operators, but I still say Luminator was "least objectionable" compared to Vultron/TransDot.


W.B.:

Again, I would concur.

The ACADEMY drivers I was friendly with years ago truly missed the days when all you had to do was to flick a switch to change a sign to the correct reading.

Again, "if it ain't broke, DON'T fix it"........Confused

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
They may've been a "PITA" for those operators, but I still say Luminator was "least objectionable" compared to Vultron/TransDot.


Here is a 1990's view of an ACADEMY 3200-series METRO departing the Hoboken terminal; a number of these buses were assigned to the (rush hours only) "BOULEVARD EAST" run I once commuted on.

As you can see, the huge roller curtains that these buses once used are no more......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156356

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From: "RAPID TRANSIT SERIES BUSES" (McCausland).....

".....forget cranking destination signs; Transbus' displays were all controlled by computer. Here, an operator inserts a punch card (state of the art in 1973)......"

None of this makes any sense to me.

What was so difficult about either turning a crank or flipping a switch? Just another example of some hi-tech, expensive doo-dad that will eventually cause more trouble than it's worth, at least IMHO....

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QUEENS TRANSIT #1 (RTS) equipped with a roller curtain, 1979......

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another early roller-curtain equipped RTS, this time from SEPTA......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156683

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
QUEENS TRANSIT #1 (RTS) equipped with a roller curtain, 1979......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153744

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A Transign mylar front roll sign, that is . . . can't tell from the fonts who made SEPTA's.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

It would be interesting to know just how many companies preferred roller curtains over electronic signage (that is, until roller signs were no longer an option).......

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late-in-the-roller-curtain-era examples from MSBA (certainly QUITE easy to read!) Wink

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156580

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156561

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W. 42nd & 12th Avenue, 1982*......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

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*If only a Flex New Look was in this gathering of buses, we'd be seeing every type of bus then operated by the "Em-Tee-Yay"! Wink

This photo also highlights the "generation gap" between the three buses seen here......


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5th Avenue & 34th St., 1982......

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W. 42nd & 12th Avenue, 1982*......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155088

(courtey: nycsubway.org)

*If only a Flex New Look was in this gathering of buses, we'd be seeing every type of bus then operated by the "Em-Tee-Yay"! Wink

This photo also highlights the "generation gap" between the three buses seen here......

The Luminator sign on the Grumman was of the LIDS IV variety, with the fonts matching exactly what was on the display of Apple II monitors. When Gulton came up with their next electronic sign for use on the later RTS II's (2580-2704 for MaBSTOA, 1659-1833 for 'Tee-Yay'), they did some changes to some of the number shapes (notably 2, 3, 6 and 9), and doubled up on the columns and rows for the period.

TransDot's signs were on MaBSTOA RTS's 2201-2579, and all but the last 25 or so 'Tee-Yay' RTS's of this make.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

You're the one to ask on this one:

Was it the development of the GRUMMAN/RTS that set the stage for the gradual elimination of roller curtains?

I know I have never seen a picture of either a Fishbowl or a Flex New Look re-equipped with electronic signage, if only on an experimental basis.

Recall, too, the companies that DID use roller signs on GRUMMNS aand RTS.......

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSBA buses (GRUMMAN) both displaying exceptionally bold roller curtains......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156580

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early Queens Transit RTS, equipped with a roller curtain......

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