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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 23265 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Recall, also, FACCo Old Look #2500, operating as a demo in Brooklyn in 1948.
The bus was a TD-5501 (YELLOW) built in 1940; while in Brooklyn, it ran on the "B47/TOMPKINS" route.
Interestingly, the bus was shortened in 1947 by GM, and re-classified a TD-5401......
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2579 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Now as to the R-44 and its varying history between the NYC subways and the SIRT.
When they were first introduced on our subways, the Old Looks were still on the road, though those with the protruding front signs as on 1958-59 FACL and ST rolling stock were living out their days in the poorer sections of Brooklyn, and the 1957 and '58 'Tee-Yay' Old Looks were likewise winding down. All had been off the streets by the time the SI R-44's first rode the rails in what, at that time, was still the Borough of Richmond (of course, they truly missed, by some years, the Macks). When both were first put in service, the Fishbowls were kings of the road, with Dangerfields not far behind. As the years went on, there were the 'Borough Bombers', on-loan WMATA's, RTS's, and what is not-so-affectionately known round here as oversized milk cartons, computerized caterpillars, and multi-wheeled Slinkies (the so-called "artics"). It is frightening to think that the SIRT R-44's have actually outlived the RTS's (though those old reliables were still on the road when the R-44's that ran on our subways were retired). |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Yes, indeed....so many changes to the "Noo Yawk" transit picture since the days of the R-44's (both subway and SIRT)
Remember, too that the SIRT R-44's have outlasted not only the "Redbirds" and the "Brightliners", they have also outlasted any and all RFW-equipped rolling stock in the subways.
Too, all of the original PATH "PA" equipment.
They have all outlasted the "KENNEDY"-class boats on the Staten Island Ferry
THE SIRT 44's have also outlasted the carfloat operations that had ferried them over from ex-Erie Lackawanna rails in New Jersey over to the "Em-Tee-Yay (the yards themselves vanished many years ago)
I cannot believe it is now well over 25 years since the last Fishbowls and "Dangerfields" have disappeared. and, already, several years since the RTS left us.
To be perfectly honest, I never pictured the SIRT 44's lasting this long in service.....
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2579 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:37 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | To be perfectly honest, I never pictured the SIRT 44's lasting this long in service..... |
I don't think the "Em-Tee-Yay" did, either . . . but of course, with the various priorities shifting over the years . . . indeed they seem to have even been in service longer than the ME-1's they replaced! |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:37 am Post subject: |
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W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | To be perfectly honest, I never pictured the SIRT 44's lasting this long in service..... |
I don't think the "Em-Tee-Yay" did, either . . . but of course, with the various priorities shifting over the years . . . indeed they seem to have even been in service longer than the ME-1's they replaced! |
W.B.:
I cannot believe that the old ME-1's are now gone 50 years, and that the 44's have outlasted them!
Imagine if the B&O had purchased new SIRT rolling stock, prior to the "Em-Tee-Yay" takeover?
Personally, I can easly see R-27/30's, "Brightliners", and R-38's on SIRT rails (would these cars have had different seating than their subway counterparts, for Staten Island service)
For that matter, I can also picture R-40's and 42's on SIRT rails......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Check out this DOMENICO Fishbowl at the 30th St. Station in Philly (obviously on a fantrip or charter) signed for "BROOKLYN", back in 1975.
It would seem that, given the "BROOKLYN" reading on the roller curtain, that this bus MIGHT have been just a wee bit off the regular route.....
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155291
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2579 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Check out this DOMENICO Fishbowl at the 30th St. Station in Philly (obviously on a fantrip or charter) signed for "BROOKLYN", back in 1975.
It would seem that, given the "BROOKLYN" reading on the roller curtain, that this bus MIGHT have been just a wee bit off the regular route.....
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155291
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Still, there is a Daily News near the windshield . . . |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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......am curious as to where DOMENICO ran in Brooklyn, and where the last/first stop was located (and when did service end?)......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 12:41 am Post subject: |
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DE CAMP serving Staten Island? (from "MOTOR COACH AGE", 1978)......
".......in 1935, a subsidiary company was organized in New York to bid on new Staten Island bus routes, mapped out by the Transit Commission, which was interested in attracting to the thinly-populated borough a bus operator with more substantial financial resources than Tompkins Bus Corp possessed......"
".......the new subsidiary, De Camp Coach Corporation, ordered 20 WHITE 684's, and bid on the best of the eight proposed routes. The Board of Estimate awareded a franchise to De Camp, but the Transit Commission wanted all eight routes included, and did not find De Camp financially capable of undertaking their operation. The franchise was cancelled, and the new buses never delivered......"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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.......anyone have any info on the aforementioned TOMPKINS BUS CORPORATION?
I found it most interesting to see that there might have been a "connection" with DE CAMP, back in the 1930's..........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 11:35 am Post subject: |
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......another old Staten Island company was briefly mentioned in ""NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT SYSTEM: BUS & TROLLEY COACH FLEET" (Greller)
This was ISLE TRANSPORTATION CO., a short-lived employee-owned company that had taken over STATEN ISLAND COACH.
The one photo shows a WHITE 798..................
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X-Astorian
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 170 Location: Central NJ
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | .......anyone have any info on the aforementioned TOMPKINS BUS CORPORATION?
I found it most interesting to see that there might have been a "connection" with DE CAMP, back in the 1930's..........
"NYO"
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There was apparently no connection with DeCamp other than being a potential competitor. See excerpts below from the Motor Coach Society's Motor Coach Age March 1973 Staten Island article.
Staten Island Coach originally competed with the established Tompkins and later took over its routes. Isle Transportation took over the expired Staten Island Coach franchise in July 1946 but lasted fewer than eight months before going bankrupt and surrendering its routes to the Board of Transportation in February 1947.
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