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December, 1980
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......in 1980, the ill-fated GRUMMANS were "the new kids on the block" in the "Em-Tee-Ay'" bus fleet; Fishbowls and New looks, of course, still ruled the streets (as did the once-commonplace CHECKER cabs!)

Despite the scourge of graffiti and deferred maintenance, the subways were still a SMEE-lover's paradise; such now-classic vintage equipment, such as the R10's/12's/14's/15's were still in service.

Some of the cars on the #7 Flushing line still wore their original World's Fair "Bluebird" paint, under all the garish scrawlings.

Many stations still had old-fashioned token booths and wooden turnstiles; incandescent lighting could still be found at certain stations.

Tokens were still in use; Metrocards were still in the distant future.

The "Amazins" were still playing at the hallowed Shea.

Steam ferries could still be ridden on the Staten Island Ferry; the new BARBERI-class boats would, soon enough, force the steamers of the "MERRELL" class into retirement.

The original "PA" PATH cars were still in service, as were the 1958 "joint service" K-class cars, which were the last rapid transit cars in New York to have incandescent lighting and single panel doors.

In New Jersey, the Jersey City-area "indy" companies still had some Old Looks in their fleets at that time.

Ahhh, the memories....... Wink

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

......today marks 41 years since that dark day when John Lennon was gunned down in front of the Dakota by a crazed fan.

It, indeed, was the shot heard 'round the world.

RIP, John, and thanks for all the great music.....

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few random photos from that infamous year (1980)...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153276

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154692

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154768

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few photos more from 1980, taken when John Lennon was still amongst us.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153182

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154919

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154691

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few MaBSTOA views from 1980........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155502

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156230

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154167

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
A few random photos from that infamous year (1980)...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153276

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154692

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154768

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

No doubt the Dime Savings Bank's jump clock way in the background of pic #154768 had the 9 x 14 layout in place in its last years in operation (well into the early 2010's). The : and how it was spaced is a key to this.

But thinking also about the 80th anniversary of Pearl Harbor (the "day of infamy" a.k.a. Dec. 7, 1941), I was thinking of the transit situation above ground in New York City at that moment in time:
- FACCo had all types of double-deckers from the open top that was retired in 1946, to the closed-top that lasted to 1953. Single-deck buses (mostly including Yellow 718's and 740's) were on the road for years on their main crosstown routes.
- NYCO, the year before, had added on two new routes (#21 Houston Street-Avenue C and #22 Pitt and Ridge Streets) that were acquired following a strike against prior operators Triangle Bus Corporation. Its bus rosters ranged from the Yellow 718, 721, 728 and 740 models to a then-new type of bus design as exemplified by the TD-4502's and TD-4505's.
- Surface Transportation made their first incursion into Manhattan with their only "created from scratch" bus route (i.e. not a "bustitution"), M-107 180th-181st Street Crosstown for those shopping in that neighborhood. (It was largely a bust, though, reduced to once-a-day service the next year and discontinued for good in 1943.)
- The TARS network, however, was still all-streetcar along 42nd and 59th Streets, Broadway, and Tenth Avenue.
- And then the other private operators in the borough of Manhattan: Comprehensive Omnibus (M-1 Madison-Chambers, M-3 49th-50th Street Crosstown, M-7 65th Street), East Side Omnibus (M-11 York Avenue, M-13 First Avenue, M-15 Second Avenue), and Avenue B and East Broadway (M-8 Grand Street and M-9 Avenue B). Those three were what could qualify as major competitors of FACCo and its NYCO affiliate.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

As my late uncle was a decorated WW2 vet (he flew a B-24) I, also, was reflecting yesterday on the "Day Of Infamy"; I'm till haunted by stories of the "USS ARIZONA" (The ship that still weeps for her dead") Crying or Very sad I

By 1941, the once-great PSNJ streetcar network had been whittled down to only eight lines (four lines equally divided between the HUDSON and ESSEX Divisions); PS, however, was then still operating a fairly-extensive ASV network, and, of course, was the largest bus operator in the State.

The H&M was in a state of limbo; in 1941, it's newest cars were already 13 year old (the 1928 Class "J" cars), and no new cars would appear until 1958.

Brooklyn, in 1941, still had an extensive streetcar network, and the 2nd and 3rd Avenue Els were still in operation; likewise, BMT El service out of Park Row.

On the Staten Island Ferry, the 1938-era "MISS NEW YORK" boats were then the newest in the fleet; it would not be until 1950 when new ferries would begin to arrive (the "MERRELL" Class)

The PABT wasn't even a twinkle in anyone's eyes in 1941; it would be nine more years before the new terminal opened.....

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....in 1980, even though virtually every piece of MTA subway rolling stock was splattered with graffiti, cars from the late 1940's were still in service (R10/12/14)

Likewise, "railfan windows" then abounded on all three subway divisions.

SMEES were then still in abundant numbers, and many stations still used old-fashioned change booths and vintage wooden turnstiles....

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few random IRT shots from 1980; I still miss these old cars, but do NOT miss the graffiti......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?41846

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3346

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2732

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?39052

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few (albeit depressing) "AVENUE B" photos from 1980........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153080

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153078

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153061

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
A few photos more from 1980, taken when John Lennon was still amongst us.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153182

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154919

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154691

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)


Image # 153182 showing TA bus 1086 sent to OA on the Bx12. This bus was 19 years old at that time. 1086 was also previously leased to MSBA numbered as 573.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B53RICH:

Thanks for that info; IMHO, it was always difficult to picture a Fishbowl being "old".

The Old Looks quickly became dated in appearance after the Fishbowl an Flexies arrived, and, even two decades later, the Fishbowl design till had a "timeless" look to it.

It was only when, in later year, when you saw a Fishbowl sporting the characteristic "first generation" Art Deco clearances light, that you'd say: "That's an OLD one."

In my general area of NJ, though, a few Fishbowls could still be ridden as late as 1997, the PS/TNJ ("first generation") Fishbowls, if memory serves me correctly, were all gone by the later 1970's, very early 1980's.......

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jones Beach, 1980.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156558

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parsons & Jamaica, 1980; note the old column remaining from recently-demolished (BMT) Jamaica El.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153930

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5th Avenue & 32nd St., 1980...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156126

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