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The New York "bit players" we tend to ignore......
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite obvious, here, that these two bedraggled-looking "Dangerfields" could have used a little TLC, as well as a little more "respect" (5th Avenue & 94th St., Brooklyn, 1981)......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154434

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking quite snappy and spiffy, this particular "Dangerfield" is ready to take on "Noo Yawk"....... Wink

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154569

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Park Row & Beekman, 1970......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154617

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Park Row & Beekman, 1970......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154617

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Would that that 5632 had been running on either M-1 Madison-Chambers or M-15 First and Second Avenues . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Park Row & Beekman, 1970......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154617

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Would that that 5632 had been running on either M-1 Madison-Chambers or M-15 First and Second Avenues . . .


W.B.:

That could be (I'm only guessing, here, as I would not have the SLIGHTEST, idea, being fro "Joisey"! Rolling Eyes

However, that COULD explain the "SPECIAL" reading displayed; look closely, and you can see the driver (wearing a tie!) standing just behind the windshield

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

You're the fellow for this:

What borough had the highest concentration of "Dangerfields" (Flex New Looks)

From the vintage photos I've seen, Brooklyn certainly had quite a few,

Were the "Dangerfields" (more or less) evenly distributed throughout the system, or, were some areas more "Dangerfield" then GM?

One thing that has always interested me is how so many operators (including, of course, "Noo Yawk") purchased buses from several different builders, instead of just one.

Look at FACCo; even long after GM became the dominant bus builder, the company was still purchasing MACKS (and a few WHITES)

I'm guessing "bargain hunting" might have played a factor here.

The same here in "Joisey"; when a large number of NDOT Flex New Looks began replacing older buses in the mid-70's, all the NJDOT buses were Flex, no GM's.

I always wondered why GM was not chosen here, unless Flex was the lowest builder.......
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
You're the fellow for this:

What borough had the highest concentration of "Dangerfields" (Flex New Looks)

From the vintage photos I've seen, Brooklyn certainly had quite a few,

Were the "Dangerfields" (more or less) evenly distributed throughout the system, or, were some areas more "Dangerfield" then GM?

One thing that has always interested me is how so many operators (including, of course, "Noo Yawk") purchased buses from several different builders, instead of just one.

Look at FACCo; even long after GM became the dominant bus builder, the company was still purchasing MACKS (and a few WHITES)

I'm guessing "bargain hunting" might have played a factor here.

The same here in "Joisey"; when a large number of NDOT Flex New Looks began replacing older buses in the mid-70's, all the NJDOT buses were Flex, no GM's.

I always wondered why GM was not chosen here, unless Flex was the lowest builder.......

The first TA Flxies were all concentrated in Brooklyn, the second set mostly in Queens. The 1969-70 set were largely Brooklyn, while MaBSTOA's were all concentrated in the Bronx. All the while, though, all aforementioned boroughs had their fare share of Fishbowls and Old Looks. It wasn't until the 1974 set that Flxies got a modicum of respect, with the first several in the 'Tee-Yay' group (7000 on up) going to the 126th Street depot in Manhattan, and all that year's MaBSTOA Flxies (7300-7361) assigned to Hudson depot in the same borough, followed by an even distribution of Flxies for all boroughs in 1975 and 1977. Must've been the fallout from that whole "custom" job of final Fishbowls ever built for both.

As for FACCo's purchases of the Macks and Whites (as assigned to Jackson Heights Rt. 15), this was when the only new GM Old Look models were of 102" width which was verboten in New York (that is, before the TDH-5104 came about, I speak of the point they "graduated" from 35' to 40' long buses). Mack and White, O.T.O.H., hewed to the 96" width that was permissible.

What gets me always is why the 'Tee-Yay', in 1964-66, went for Flx whilst MaBSTOA stuck with GM. I call this the "split" period in new bus orders.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Greatly appreciate the in-depth info; explains a lot....thanks! Wink

From what you have told me, the "Dangerfield" Flexies were, pretty much "bit players", so far as Manhattan routes went.

The "concentration" of Flexies in Brooklyn and Queens is right "in sync" with so many of the old nycsubway.org photos I have seen, over the past several years......

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am curious as to when the first "Dangerfields" went to Staten Island.

Did these buses replace the last remaining Old Looks operating there?

Here are several views of Flexies at St. George.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154613

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154614

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154448

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still in the classic "Tee-Yay" green, this Flexie is seen at the Queens Village garage, back in 1977......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154778

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Am curious as to when the first "Dangerfields" went to Staten Island.

Did these buses replace the last remaining Old Looks operating there?

Here are several views of Flexies at St. George.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154613

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154614

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154448

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

As 1973 was the earliest date for those, it must from from then that those Flx "Dangerfields" were deposited in SI, from both Brooklyn and Queens depots. And isn't SI another borough that, like Rodney Dangerfield, generally gets no respect?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

How ironic that you mention SI getting "no respect"; I heard on 1010 WINS earlier that two SNL comics purchased the old "PVT. JOHN F. KENNEDY" (ex-SI ferry, entered service in 1965) and are planning to renovate her as a comedy club/nightspot.

A clip of one of their SNL "skits" were heard, and, to say that their "stand-up" remarks, during a performance, were NOT at all complimentery to either SI, nor its police and fire departments, is an understatement.

No humor whatsoever, so far as I can see. Sad

Back to the buses.......

As I had mentioned earlier, back in the 60's, I remember seeing only Old Looks and MACKS at the St. George terminal.

The last time I rode a Staten Island bus (a "Dangerfield") was from Port Richmond to St. George, after photographing the still-intact remains of the old SUNRISE FERRY slip, from where, until the early 1960's, small open-deck ferryboats crossed over to Bergen Point in Bayonne (I remember this ferry when I was quite young)

Too, it would have been interesting, to say the least, had FACCo not disappeared, and had ordered "Dangerfields"......


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"DANGERFIELDS", a la "Avenue B & East Broadway", many years ago.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153058

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153057

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
"DANGERFIELDS", a la "Avenue B & East Broadway", many years ago.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153058

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153057

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

Made in Evergreen, AL, B.T.W. (their buses had two headlights as opposed to Loudonville, OH's four). Seems they were the first in Manhattan to have these buses, before the TA and MaBSTOA actually began allotting their Flx orders to Manhattan.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Too, it would have been interesting, to say the least, had FACCo not disappeared, and had ordered "Dangerfields"......

Something tells me any Flxies ordered would have ended up on FACL's two FACO Division Queens routes, #15 and #16. After all, that's where the Macks and Whites went, back in the early '50's . . .
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