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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22635 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Saame station, same year.
Note that both sign boxes on this prewar IND car are empty/blank; look closely, here, and see the "D60"* black-on-white plate that the IND car is carrying, in place of the usual white-on-black number plate)
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2282
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*The "D60" number plate is interesting; I know I heard, awhile ago, that some IND cars were converted into trailers in later years, but cannot be sure that this car might have been one of them...... |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Broadway & 50th St., 1981.
Here, note that the roller curtain is in place, with a cardboard card in the windshield bearing the same information (M104).......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155710
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Those cardboard signs in front were especially of importance in 1974 with the great route numbering changes. Those I saw pictures of that I know of include:
(For 72nd Street Crosstown) M6 is now M30
I could imagine these others:
(For Jackson Heights line) QM15 is now M32
(For Elmhurst Crosstown) QM16 is now Q89
(For Fifth & Madison via Seventh) M2A is now M2
(For 65th Street Crosstown) M7 is now M29
(For York Avenue line) M11 is now M31 (which makes it all the more ironic that, having been extended along 57th Street since 1994 all the way to 11th Avenue, its eastbound route between 54th and 57th Streets travels along 10th Avenue - home of the M11 Ninth-Amsterdam route).
(For Story Avenue-Parkchester line) Bx5A is now Bx54
As I said, the only duplicative-numbered route that did not change was M10 Broadway, the ex-FACCo route running at that point between "135 St Only" and 168 Street, pull-in/pull-out only, so obscure and phantom it didn't even appear on bus maps or even route dispatcher's maps - and prone, on batwing side signs, to be displayed on the ex-NYCO M10 Eighth Avenue-Central Park West line (when it should have read '10 8th Ave / Central Pk W'). |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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W.B,:
VERY informative, and VERY interesting; after reading your post, I can clearly see why such cardboard signs were of such importance, with the route numbering changes that took place in 1974.
This, in itself, I feel, makes for an interesting "study"......
"NYO" |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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In this 1971 photo taken at the BMT station at 14th St., we see the R-10 prototype, R-7A, looking quite clean, and, as yet, unmarred by graffiti.
Note that new "LL" route signs have been installed; note the different fonts of the route and destination signs......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2191
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:40 am Post subject: |
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That '74 one with "Bruckner Blvd" - a few months after this, that TB branch would be rebranded Bx21. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:50 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
With all the route changes taking place in 1974, it would seem that the "Em-Tee-Yay" was shelling out some $$$$ to have new roller curtains printed up/altered.
Too, when the WAMATA buses filled in for the AILING Grumman, temporary cardboard signs were a no-brainer; I've also wondered if there weren't any "spare" roller curtains" laying around (from scrapped/retired buses) that might have been used......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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MaBSTOA 15
Age: 70 Joined: 27 Feb 2013 Posts: 1059
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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New York Omnibus 2629... good idea to use roller curtains from scrapped TA/OA buses on the WMATA leased buses. Except, they would not work on the Washington buses... The TA/OA roller curtains were one solid piece about 53 inches wide. The WMATA buses had two or three curtains on the front. therefore the TA would have to spend money to alter the mechanisms. |
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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MaBSTOA 15 wrote: | New York Omnibus 2629... good idea to use roller curtains from scrapped TA/OA buses on the WMATA leased buses. Except, they would not work on the Washington buses... The TA/OA roller curtains were one solid piece about 53 inches wide. The WMATA buses had two or three curtains on the front. therefore the TA would have to spend money to alter the mechanisms. |
Sounds almost like the split (two curtain) front roll signs on the 1960 FACL and ST Fishbowls, no . . . ? |
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2422 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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MaBSTOA 15 wrote: | New York Omnibus 2629... good idea to use roller curtains from scrapped TA/OA buses on the WMATA leased buses. Except, they would not work on the Washington buses... The TA/OA roller curtains were one solid piece about 53 inches wide. The WMATA buses had two or three curtains on the front. therefore the TA would have to spend money to alter the mechanisms. |
Sounds almost like the split (two curtain) front roll signs on the 1960 FACL and ST Fishbowls, no . . . ? |
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