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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic! This is the first that I've seen with the B prefix. Normally they were without it.

Thanks for a great example!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject: Interesting destination sign Reply with quote

Note the small ad under the headlights...

"Express Bus, New York City Transit Authority"

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
The first two views are from MaBSTOA and the last is from NYCTA.

The MaBSTOA buses are TDH-5303s and the NYCTA is a TDH-5301. I know that the first TA New Looks did have this type of destination sign printed on mylar.

BTW, just for trivia sake... the MaBSTOA roll signs were by depot. In other words the buses based at 54 Street Depot only had signs for the routes based at that depot and no other. Likewise with the other depots.

However, this did not apply to the bat-wing signs. MaBSTOA had all the Manhattan based routes.

Not sure about the NYCTA bat-wings since those showed destinations and not routes.

This tells another story in and of itself. Namely, the original depot assignments of the first set of buses built by GM for MaBSTOA in 1963, 3301-3555, from which those roll signs had emanated and, in many cases, placed onto other buses (namely within the 6401-6900 and 8301-8780 series). Apparently, besides 132nd Street where those two routes had originated (although the 4 sign appears hand-painted, owing to the fact that at the time of original delivery 4 was based out of Kingsbridge depot and did not get reassigned to 132nd until September 1963, months after the arrival of those first made-for-MaBSTOA buses), those buses, when first delivered, appeared to have also been spread out amongst the Kingsbridge, original West Farms (since demolished) and Amsterdam depots.

Here, in a pic taken on May 2, 1970 at Tremont Avenue and Westchester Square by Joe Testagrose, is a 1963 roll sign for West Farms-assigned Bx42 onto 1965 bus #6541:

Amsterdam depot also got some of the first 1963 MaBSTOA's. Here on #3446 is an original roll sign for M104, taken April 30, 1972 by Mr. Testagrose at 42nd Street and Third Avenue:

And, at Broadway near 230th Street on Nov. 21, 1970 (photographer same), 1966-67 #8456 with an old 1963 front roll sign for M100:

Back at routes from 132nd depot, on today's M3, on June 23, 1969 at 8th Street and Fourth Avenue, photographed by Doug Grotjahn (Joe Testagrose collection), #8466 (since restored, though the front right and left sides look a bit different) with a cannibalized 1963 front sign:

Oh, and as to those vintage pics with '2A TO 8 ST' with a lot of blank on the right: What was covered were the words 'VIA 7 AVE'. No doubt the 1966-69 Fifth-Madison-Lenox 2, on southbound runs, showed '2 TO 8 ST VIA LENOX'.

But as for the layout here - a big type for the route number, two small lines for route description on top and destination on bottom - can anyone remember which Bronx routes assigned to Kingsbridge (or wherever) would have sported that layout?
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