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Cyberider
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| Speaking of "Soiface," in the NYC buses 1945-1975 book, most of their buses look almost pristine. However, the one Fishbowl shown was already rather beat up looking in 1962.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyberider wrote: | | Speaking of "Soiface," in the NYC buses 1945-1975 book, most of their buses look almost pristine. However, the one Fishbowl shown was already rather beat up looking in 1962. |
Cyberider: By the late 1950s/early 60s, most of the "Soiface" fleet had clearly not weathered the years well; they were, by this late date, pretty well battered and beaten up (but, somehow, they STILL ran........mostly!)
The ones in the worst shape were the Old Looks and MACKS which dated back to the late 1940s..........
"NYO"
["SURFACE TRANSPORTATION Co."]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyberider wrote: | | Speaking of "Soiface," in the NYC buses 1945-1975 book, most of their buses look almost pristine. However, the one Fishbowl shown was already rather beat up looking in 1962. |
Check out this 1962 photo of an ancient and well-worn #1700 (FACL); you could see that this old workhorse indeed WORKED for a living! 
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156387
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
["1700"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:26 am Post subject: |
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"Soiface's" TDH-5104s.........
Ten of these buses were delivered in 1953, with 30 5106s in 1954; interestingly, according to "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES" (Martin) these buses were the last of the company's "Gee-Em" buses to wear the familiar red and cream color scheme.
At the time these handsome buses were new, the takeover by FACCo was but a few years into the future...........
"NYO"
["1098"]
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | | Cyberider wrote: | | Speaking of "Soiface," in the NYC buses 1945-1975 book, most of their buses look almost pristine. However, the one Fishbowl shown was already rather beat up looking in 1962. |
Check out this 1962 photo of an ancient and well-worn #1700 (FACL); you could see that this old workhorse indeed WORKED for a living!
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156387
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Originally MACCo (Madison Avenue Coach Company, Inc.); this was the third nomenclature that bus spotted on their sides. That was actually taken at Ninth Avenue, facing northwest, showing between 50th and 51st Streets. St. Clare's Hospital (R.I.P.) was in the background. In those days, #11 was assigned out of 100th Street depot. Not until " 'stoa" would it be assigned to depots more conducive to its route.
It was said of the three entitles, FACCo's were the most "spit-and-polish" fleet, "Soiface's" the most dilapidated - and NYCO (and their subsidiaries, Maidson Avenue Coach and Eighth Avenue Coach) in-between the two extremes in terms of their maintenance practices.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:01 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Indeed, FACCo was ALWAYS the undisputed, tony "upper crust" of bus operators in "Noo Yawk", going all the back to the earliest omnibus days.
It was (IMHO) their trademark double-deckers (especially the "Blunderbus"-types) that made the company such a big tourist draw, way back in ancient times.
"Soitanly", neither "Soiface" nor "NYO" could make THAT claim! 
By the time the "stoa"-era dawned, no one was thinking of the "new kid on the block" as a "tourist attraction", as FACCo was, back in its double-decker heyday...........
'NYO"
["5 FIFTH AVE.-57TH ST."]
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
Indeed, FACCo was ALWAYS the undisputed, tony "upper crust" of bus operators in "Noo Yawk", going all the back to the earliest omnibus days.
It was (IMHO) their trademark double-deckers (especially the "Blunderbus"-types) that made the company such a big tourist draw, way back in ancient times.
"Soitanly", neither "Soiface" nor "NYO" could make THAT claim!
By the time the "stoa"-era dawned, no one was thinking of the "new kid on the block" as a "tourist attraction", as FACCo was, back in its double-decker heyday...........
'NYO"
["5 FIFTH AVE.-57TH ST."] |
That FACCo-tor may explain why some think of post-1956 FACL as "not real FACCo," as that name was also emblazoned on the buses of ex-NYCO routes. That may partly explain why the 70 "Jetsons" they ordered and ran never got the attention - or acclaim - the "Blunderbuses" and "Queen Marys" got. And "sointainly," when " 'stoa" took over and their new buses slowly replaced the mainstays of FACCo, NYCO and "Soiface," why some considered their new buses about as exciting as watching paint dry - and especially with the "Tee-Yay" green and matching script atop the passenger windows. Time, of course, told a different tale . . .
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Good points, all.
You would be surprised as to how many references there are to FACCo double-deckers in old books (fiction or otherwise)
Recall, also, the other American cities that once operated double-deckers (aka "Blunderbuses"); "Shik-aga", "Bah-ston" (for a very brief time), Philly, Baltimore, Atlanta, Detroiti, Cleveland, and even "El-Yay".
"Pee-Es" even operated double-deckers for a time! (I was QUITE shocked when our good friend Mr. MaBSTOA educated me on this, awhile ago!)
"Shik-aga", for obvious reasons, was the only city besides "Noo Yawk" that operated "Queen Mary"-types.
IMHO, once the "Em-Tee-Yay" officially dropped any and all usage of the moniker"stoa", that, indeed closed the door on the last tangible link that had any ties to FACCo................
"NYO"
["19 RIVERSIDE DRIVE"]
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Cyberider
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I was just surprised that the Fishbowl, being only two or three years old, looked as bad as it did in 1962.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2024 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Cyberider wrote: | | I was just surprised that the Fishbowl, being only two or three years old, looked as bad as it did in 1962. |
Cyberider:
By this late date (1962), "Soiface" was no longer an "independent" company, and, as noted previously, the ex-"Soiface" buses were indeed looking quite scruffy, to say the least.
Near the end, before the "MaBSTOA" takeover, a lot of the buses probably were not getting washed all that often, either....... 
'NYO"
["RIDE THE SURFACE WAY"]
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | | "Shik-aga", for obvious reasons, was the only city besides "Noo Yawk" that operated "Queen Mary"-types. |
Yep. CMCCo (which held the "Queen Marys," and also purchased the bulk of the "Shermans" in that town) was a sister of FACCo and NYCO. All were owned by the same "Shik-aga" entity, Omnibus Corp. Yet the "See-Tee-Yay" took after "See-Ess-El" in their apparent allergy to same.
It figures that the double-deckers were as symbolic of "Noo Yawk" (and probably parodied in old cartoons) as the "Eye-Are-Tee" subway was in the minds of many, in spite of the "Bee-Em-Tee" and then "Eye-En-Dee" making their mark underground.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
Recall, also, way, way back (and for many years) in the "Blondie" comic strips, "Dagwood" was often seen clutching at the handrail of the open rear stairwell of a "Blunderbus"-type double-decker, pulling away from his stop, as he was dashing to work.
In the early 50s Paramount Famous Studios Popeye cartoon "GREEK MIRTHOLOGY" (in which Popeye meets "Hoicyulyees") there is a "traffic" scene (where one camel is standing atop the other), both carrying "passengers", the saddle cloth reading "DOUBLE-DECKER BUS".
A "solo" camel (also carrying "passengers") sports a saddle cloth simply reading "BUS". 
(A sedan chair is marked "TAXI")!!
Gotta love it...........
"NYO"
["FIFTH AVENUE COACH COMPANY"]
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MaBSTOA 15
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Inside a Fifth Avenue Coach and New York City Omnibus depot.
1567 is a Yellow Coach model 731 of 1936
301 is a Yellow Coach model 718 of 1934-1935 signed for route 7 along side is
432 a Yellow Coach model 740 of 1939. This coiuld be the 146th Street Depot.
Queen Mary number 2157 is a Yellow Coachy model 720 of 1938 and in the background is number 2039 or 2059 a model 735. Because of the difference in height of both Queen Marys this might be the 132nd Street Depot.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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MaBSTOA 15:
Your's Truly is SELDOM rendered SPEECHLESS, but, in this case: "......................................"
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWESOME PHOTOS, my friend....and THANK YOU for sharing with us......these are RARE GEMS, indeed!
"NYO"
["GO THE MOTOR COACH WAY"]
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The numerals seen on those buses would carry on right to the 1960's, not only on the "Shermans / Kramdens" after repainted in the two-tone green boasted by both the "Tee-Yay" and " 'stoa," but also a few early "Jetsons" when repainted years after "foist" entering "soivice." Yet another "lost font." They seemed, initially, to be "local" to FACCo and NYCO.
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