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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2483 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | In this bygone "group" scene from 1971, "Sherman" #7105 indeed is the "oddball" (Merrick & 90th)
All too soon, veterans such as #7105 would be put out to pasture........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154828
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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And it appears all the A/C Fishbowl "Bullets" were within the '71 group of 4300-4499. Couldn't see if by the back lights on the bottom at left and right, whether at least one was from the '68 set . . . |
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2483 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Is it my imagination, or in that first pic, is the "Oddball" that's emerging from that depot about to fall apart at the seams in transit? (Sort of prefiguring the "Borough Bombers" - but these oldies lingered a bit longer.) |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22992 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Regarding that 1955 photo you mentioned, I indeed concur.
Besides the infamous "Borough Bomber", the postwar TWIN "Oddballs" clearly were not at all suited to the trials and tribulations of daily "New Yawk" traffic (amazingly, many lasted in "Shik-aga" service into the early 1970's*)
As quite a few were already OOS by 1955 (obviously no buyers on the second-hand market) it is clear that these buses did not have much of a following in the East.
*I've read that the "See-Tee-Yay's propane-powered "Oddballs" (nearly 1000 in all) were quite sluggish, had a tendency to overheat, and were not at popular with most drivers..........
"NYO"
["TWIN"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Here we have two formidable "Pattons" awaiting the call to duty at the Flatbush garage, back in '55, displaying those peculiar front sign boxes.........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156952
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22992 Location: NEW JOISEY
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Here's an interesting "Boy, have I got a headache!" photo from 1973, taken at "stoa's" Coliseum garage; note the OOS "Shermans" still on the property, three years after the last were retired.................
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153787
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2483 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:22 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Here's an interesting "Boy, have I got a headache!" photo from 1973, taken at "stoa's" Coliseum garage; note the OOS "Shermans" still on the property, three years after the last were retired.................
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153787
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Coliseum depot, a.k.a. "Where 'Shermans' Go to Die." (See also, 1970 photos.)
#7131, incidentally, was a "Tee-Yay" bus among the lot retired earlier in '73, before that treading the roads in Brooklyn. #2608 must've been set up (still with its "Tee-Yay" two-tone green paint scheme) as a work bus. |
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2483 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:25 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | *I've read that the "See-Tee-Yay's propane-powered "Oddballs" (nearly 1000 in all) were quite sluggish, had a tendency to overheat, and were not at popular with most drivers.......... |
Yet another lingering effect of the allergy towards "Gee-Em" buses inherited from the old "See-Ess-El." That they lasted as long as they did in the "Windy City" seems proof positive of something, in spite of all those headaches the drivers and repair crews got from working with them.
Funny (peculiar, not "ha-ha") how in the '70's they ordered bushels of Fishbowls just as the "Em-Tee-Yay" in "Noo Yawk" were loading up on "Dangerfields." |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:47 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
As Your's Truly had noted elsewhere, the "See-Es-El", pre-"See-Tee-Yay", were diehard followers of WHITE and TWIN (big surprise!), with an assortment of (prewar) ACFs and MACKS thrown into the mix.
WHITE 798s were purchasedin great profusion during the "See-Es-El" era; the first purchased in 1940, the last in 1947.
When the "See-Es-El DID finally purchase postwar "Shermans" (for itself and its subsidiaries), they were still in the ultra-minority; management favored TD-4506s.
The earliest postwar "Pattons" were also small in number; 17 C-41GTs.
Postwar "Brill-Boas" were C-36s............
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 22992 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Photos lacking in the nyscubway.org archives:
1960s-era photos of "Pattons" (no boroughs currently represented; surprisingly, no 1960s photos of "Pattons" running on "R" routes out of St. George)
No early 60s photos (b/w or color) of SURFACE buses still wearing SURFACE paint.
Far too few garage/depot/yard scenes.
Early-era "Dangerfield" photos.
Few photos of buses carrying ad racks behind rear wheels....................
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an interesting and nostalgic) photo from 1981...........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153669
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
Note that the "Dangerfield" of "JAMAICA BUS" is carrying no ad racks; the "slant back" RTS on the right gives us an idea of what "Em-Tee-Yay" RTS would have looked like, had they purchased "Torpedoes" early on, instead of the ill-fated "Bombers".............
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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W.B. Fishbowl
Age: 57 Joined: 02 Oct 2014 Posts: 2483 Location: New York, New York, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Photos lacking in the nyscubway.org archives:
1960s-era photos of "Pattons" (no boroughs currently represented; surprisingly, no 1960s photos of "Pattons" running on "R" routes out of St. George)
No early 60s photos (b/w or color) of SURFACE buses still wearing SURFACE paint.
Far too few garage/depot/yard scenes.
Early-era "Dangerfield" photos.
Few photos of buses carrying ad racks behind rear wheels....................
"NYO"
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Which I have tried, over the years, to make up for with the photos I'd already put up . . . |
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