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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.:

At one time, baseball was indeed "America's pastime"........it was a GAME, period.

Today, it is a multi-billion dollar business, with players (sadly, a number with questionable playing skills,and all-too-huge egos) making astronomical salaries (which sickens me), just to play a GAME for several months each year.

Strangely, there is little or no money available for senior care, the care of our veterans, education, and for government programs that are vital lifelines to so many of limited means.

Sad, too, that the average "working-class Joe" has to hold down multiple jobs just to support his family, while pro baseball (and football and basketball players) are paid multiple millions just to PLAY a GAME.

IMHO, I think our priorities are WAY off base, these days............

'NYO""

Apparently, due to both teams' abysmal performance during the season, the ratings for YES (the Yankees' home) and SNY (which airs the Mets) have gone down by quarter percentages. Apparently, nobody likes to see a team lose all the time. That seemed also to be the case by 1965 when the Mets finally gave Casey Stengel the hook.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On this day, 54 years ago, a certain Cleon Jones caught Davey Johnson's flyball in left field, wrapping up the World Series at Shea.

A LOT of VERY happy Mets fans were jamming the "Eye-Are-Tee's" WF "Bluebirds" on the #7, that fine day! Very Happy

1,000,000 light-years removed from the dismal 2023 season, for certain.........

"NYO"

["7 TIMES SQUARE"]
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTA "Baseball Specials" were quite popular on the "L" for decades; these well-patronized specials carried thousands of fans to watch (and root for) the Cubs at Wrigley Field------signs affixed to the train doors on lead cars of trains carrying fans read "BASE-BALL TODAY" (interestingly-Wrigley Field was not furnished with floodlights-so night playing was not a reality until 1988! CTA buses also carried big crowds to the historic ballpark)--------------------------"NYO"
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
CTA "Baseball Specials" were quite popular on the "L" for decades; these well-patronized specials carried thousands of fans to watch (and root for) the Cubs at Wrigley Field------signs affixed to the train doors on lead cars of trains carrying fans read "BASE-BALL TODAY" (interestingly-Wrigley Field was not furnished with floodlights-so night playing was not a reality until 1988! CTA buses also carried big crowds to the historic ballpark)--------------------------"NYO"

Wasn't it several years later when "See-Tee-Yay" trains began carrying White Sox fans to either Comiskey Park (by which I mean the original or the newer), on the South Side?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WB: Correct! "Shik-aga" was indeed a BIG "baseball town"-for certain-CSLCTA streetcars would be displaying dash cards reading "BASEBALL TO-DAY!" when the "action" was being played within CSL/CTA territory;"L" trains/streetcars/buses would be packed solid with baseball fans heading to the ball parks (just like right here in ol' "Noo Yawk")-----One quite interesting photo in the book I had just talked about dates to 1959; on one of the "L" stations on State Street a big sign shouts: "WORLD SERIES-GO-GO-SOX!-GO TO 'SOX PARK' BY STATE STREET SUBWAY!"------and-passing beneath the "L" station-we see the lone CTA postwar "Oddball" (#8499) which had been fitted with a "Dangerfield" front end---------- Wink "NYO"
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"See-Tee-Yay" baseball specials: After the North Water "L" station closed in 1949 it was used to store work trains and OOS cars; railfan excursions often began their runs here- also consists for the baseball specials would also often be stored here---interestingly North Shore interurbans also deadheaded to this station-------- "NYO"
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also in this book there is a photo dating back to 1966-depicting a train of 2000-series cars (then just two years old) turning onto the Lake Street "L"; down below we see a "Dangerfield" and what is interesting is that this particular bus was one of the "Dangerfields" that had the split window panels--------- "NYO"
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Also in this book there is a photo dating back to 1966-depicting a train of 2000-series cars (then just two years old) turning onto the Lake Street "L"; down below we see a "Dangerfield" and what is interesting is that this particular bus was one of the "Dangerfields" that had the split window panels--------- "NYO"

Ah, yes. One of which appeared on some FACL routes in 1961 on a demo basis with a "100" placard, no? (I.I.N.M., "See-Tee-Yay" buses shared the same green and cream color scheme FACL used on their rolling stock.)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WB: I always wished that those split windows were "standard" on the "Dangerfields" (to Your's Truly I always thought the buses looked "older" with such windows; I liked that)------- Wink In the past-we talked of the "tougher" appearance of a "Dangerfield" alongside a Fishbowl; indeed the "Dangerfield" was a "beefier"-looking bus for certain---------echoes-perhaps-of the cocky and swaggering "Pattons"----------- "NYO"
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking of the "square window" Old Looks which once carried Yankee fans to the original "House that Ruth Built": which "square window" buses were retired first-those which were originally SURFACE buses-or-those originally operated by FACC/FACL? Going by what I read here in the past-I'll say that it was the ex-SURFACE square-window Old Looks* that were put out to pasture first-as-by the early "stoa" era-these old workhorses were indeed showing their age-looking quite "down at the heels"---------"NYO" *(4507s?)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Your's Truly is correct-when the "stoa" era began-the oldest of the SURFACE Old Looks were 4507s-which dated to 1946; the oldest FACL Old Looks were also 4507s-------------"NYO"
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
If Your's Truly is correct-when the "stoa" era began-the oldest of the SURFACE Old Looks were 4507s-which dated to 1946; the oldest FACL Old Looks were also 4507s-------------"NYO"

Both FACCo's and NYCO's oldest would have been 4506's and 4507's at the " 'stoa's" outset, I.I.N.M.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WB: So these would be the buses replaced with Fishbowls (I know that "stoa" had new TDH-5303s entered the fleet in 1963-along with an additional 279 TDH-4510s that had been running in Brooklyn)------------"NYO"
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"-----------all of the 4505s and 4507s-then roughly 20 years old---------were sent to the scrap heap-------upon receipt of 325 new TDH-5303s early in 1965----------" (source: "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES") "NYO"
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Ogden's book on FACCo (page 94) there is a photo of Old Look #2404; this bus sports the post-1948 paired windows-but is indentified as a 4507; the other 4507s in this book are all square-window buses; was this caption in error-or were the last of the 4507s equipped the newer paired windows? Regarding SURFACE: were their first paired-window Old Looks the TDH-5104s ? (1953) "NYO"
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