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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an excellent page (w/many good photos) "THE NEW YORK STUBWAYS: REMNANTS OF LONG-GONE ELEVATED LINES".

Much interesting history, here........

https://forgotten-ny.com/2001/02/the-new-york-stubways-remnants-of-long-gone-elevated-lines/
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remains of Brooklyn's Lexington Avenue El.......

https://forgotten-ny.com/2012/11/lexington-avenue-el-brooklyn/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting photos on this page (El and buses)........

https://boweryboogie.com/2019/12/revisiting-the-last-days-of-the-third-avenue-el/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2022 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BMT's Fresh Pond yard, over the years, has seen a tremendous variety of rolling stock, both elevated and subway......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?115106

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?113221

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?159131

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?113382

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69101

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a strong sense, the BRT (BMT) set the stage, if you will, for the debut of the IND in the early 1930's.

The new BRT 67-foot "Standards" were the forerunner of longer, wider subway rolling stock, which would become the standard fror the cars that would later run on BMT and IND rails.

That many areas of Brooklyn in 1915 (when the first "Standards" entered service) were quite suburban in nature, was reflected in the new subway cars, which were more atkin to the suburban commuter MU cars already in use on the main line railroads.

These early cars even had window shades, also keeping in sync with the commuter rolling stock of that era.

Unlike the Vistorian-era IRT with its mosaics and cast-iron kiosks, and the BMT, with its conglomeration of subway, elevated, and streetcar operation, the City-owned IND represented the very acme of modern subway engineering and operation....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a train of shiny, new "Standards" waiting to enter service on the BRT, in 1915; these cars appeared (and were) quite quite huge indeed, compared to the shorter, narrower INTERBOROUGH equipment of that era......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?45947

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the new IND Fulton line station at Euclid Avenue opened in the late 1940's, it was quite a state-of-the-art facility, also marking the first use of florescent lighting in a New York subway station; its interlocking tower, also, was quite modern for that time......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?58053

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?130986

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where have the years gotten to?

Today, in 2022.....

The very last of the iconic IRT "Redbirds" have now been out of revenue service for 19 years.

The last prewar IND cars have now been gone for 45 years.

The venerable R-10's have now been gone 23 years.

Last BMT Standards and the few remaining prewar IRT cars disappeared from revenue service 53 years ago.

The famed "Brightliners" have also, sadly, now have passed into history......

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned here previously, the very last prewar subway cars ran in revenue service in 1977.

The prewar IND cars, ironically, ended their revenue service days assigned to the BMT.

The R-1's entered service in 1932, when the IND first opened; the virtually identical R-9's ("Arnines" to many fans) entered service in 1940, when the new IND 6yh Avenue line opened.

These venerable, battle-scarred old cars were the very last in service with incandescent lighting and ceiling fans.

They were also the last trains in service equipped with air whistles; they were also the last with classic-era "growling" motors, a sound so characteristic of the subways for many decades.

A long and colorful era, indeed, had sadly ended......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?35037

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1954

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

August, 1983, marked the end for the last prewar rapid transit cars in regular use in the United States.

The last remaining prewar cars on Philadelphia's Broad Street Subway were replaced with new cars built in Japan.

The oldest BSS cars dated to the Subway's opening in 1928; the newest dated to 1938, making the newest cars contemporaries of the newer of the prewar IND cars.

The last of the prewar IND cars were retired in 1977, six years prior to the retirement of the old BSS cars......

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......today, in 2022, there are what LOOK to be "Els", but are basically extensions of subway lines, in the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn.

The old INTERBOROUGH and BMT elevated lines were "independent" systems unto themselves.

Unlike the more modern subways, the elevated cars were of wooden construction, instead of steel.

The original elevated lines were not strong enough to handle the more modern steel cars then coming into vogue.

The Bronx section of the 3rd Avenue El, which closed in 1973, was the very last surviving remnant of the old INTERBOROUGH elevated lines that once slithered and snaked their sinewy way through Manhattan.

Back in the 1930's and 1940's, few things "set the stage" for a movie scene set in New York, than an IRT subway kiosk, or a rattling, rumbling elevated train, threading its way through the crowded tenements and billowing clothesline of old "Noo Yawk"........

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

....it is hard to believe that, this year, the first section of the INDEPENDENT (IND) opened......NINETY-ONE YEARS AGO!! Shocked

When new, the IND represented the very acme of modern subway design.

With its spacious, gleaming stations, many with vast mezzanines, its solid, handsome, modern rolling stock, and color-coded station tiles, here, indeed, was a truly up-to-date subway system, soon to be further expanded into Brooklyn and Queens.

In 1940, the 6th Avenue IND opened, following the modern, up-to-date designs of the original 8th Avenue line.

And, in 1948, the IND again was "setting the trend", by having the first station equipped with florescent lighting (Euclid Avenue)........

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Random views on the ex-SIRT ME-1's purchased for service on the BMT.....

These cars had the distinction of being the only second-hand subway cars to ever run in the New York subways.

Unlike other BMT cars, they carried no roller curtains, only old-fashioned metal plate destination signs that had been used on the IRT's Hi-V's and Lo-V subway cars (not to mention IRT and BMT El rolling stock) for decades.

Like the A-B Standards, the ex-Staten Island cars had no end sign boxes (the "Triplexes", "Multi-Sections", and experimental trainsets did utilize end sign boxes)

The ME-1's were also the only cars on the BMT to have end vestibules, as was standard on the IRT.

The 1925-vintage ME-1's also could not MU with the Standards (as had been long thought) due to different braking systems.

The former SIRT cars were not long to serve the newly-formed NYCTA; all were retired by 1960/1961, replaced by the new R-27/R-30's.

None of the ex-SIRT trailer cxars were ever used in revenue service; all were converted into work cars or yard offices........

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in 1955, we see a train of ex-SIRT cars in BMT service; note the metal destination plates, rescued from scrapped BMT elevated rolling stock......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?112794

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though no second-hand PATH (or H&M) rolling stock ever operated elsewhere, it is interesting to note that, when the old P&W (Norristown) line between 69th St. and Norristown found itself short of equipment as the famed "Bullets" (in service 60 years!) along with the even older "Strafford" cars were being retired, prior to the arrival of new (present) Japanese-built equipment.

SEPTA purchased a group of 6000-series cars from the CTA to operate on the Norristown line, until the arrival of the new rolling stock.

SEPTA also transferred several 1960-era "Almond Joy" El cars to the Norristown line, for use on Route #100 (the former P&W Norristown line)

Interestingly, SEPTA also purchased a group of the recently-retired Class "K" ("MP-52") joint service cars from PATH; these 1958-vintage cars were purchased for their trucks only, to be re-used under other "temporary" equipment.

Sadly, the former PRR/H&M/PATH car bodies (these cars were the first production model a/c-equipped rapid transit cars to run in the United States) were loaded onto a barge and dumped into the ocean, as "havens" for marine life....at least ONE of these historic cars SHOULD have been set aside for historic preservation........I grew up with these handsome cars, and, years later, commuted on them when I was working in lower Manhattan...........

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Here are two views of ex-CTA 6000's and "Almond Joys" in service on the former P&W............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16824

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69075

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