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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629




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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the twilight days of its long career on the streets of Da Bronx and Mahattan, this scruffy-looking ex-SURFACE Old Look (4507?) is still "on the job".....for now......

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/531213718526725145/

["RIDE THE SURFACE WAY"]


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Meanwhile, back in Da Bronx, a long, long time ago*....... Wink

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/330944272588389464/

*(Also, note the totally-deserted streets)

["4170"]

Another post-1960 due to the ad racks on the side which explains why the Surface lettering is in a concentrated area as opposed to spread out under the passenger windows. Not to mention one of the old NYCO or FACCo buses from post-1949-50 that John E. McCarthy had replace the worst of the worst Surface rolling stock after his FACL taking over ST at the end of '56 (in short, it wasn't just the 1963 replacements that saw the most dilapidated of Surface livery see the crusher).

As for that #1578 bus, there was a whole bit where, when the 1963 order for MaBSTOA buses was drawn up, a certain group of the new Fishbowls on the block were assigned to 132nd Street whereas the best-kept Old Looks of that depot were transferred to 'da Bronx' to replace the beyond-repair Surface buses (including that and the #1310 bus that Surface driver William Cimillo infamously commandeered to Florida back in '47) that were kept together with string and duct tape.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

As always, appreciate your "in depth" historical info.

Speaking of scruffy old buses with "lettering in a concentrated area", here's an early 60's photo (which we've already seen previously in several discussions) of FACCo's #1700........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156387

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

["FIFTH AVENUE COACH LINES"]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1578 is no longer working for Surface Transit but rather MaBSTOA!

Note the logo between the ad racks.

Also, note the front door opens outward rather than the standard inward opening!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/531213718526725145/!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
1578 is no longer working for Surface Transit but rather MaBSTOA!

Note the logo between the ad racks.

Also, note the front door opens outward rather than the standard inward opening!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/531213718526725145/!


As always, appreciate the additional info; yes, by the time that picture of a battered #1578 was snapped, MaBSTOA was know "running the show".

Most certainly, even though such buses looked sleek and modern when knew in the 1940's, they indeed looked quite dated by the time that the first Fishbowls began arriving.......

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"BUSMAN'S HOLIDAY"....... Wink

www.weirduniverse.net/images/2015/1947cimillo_fb.jpg

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had posted this page elsewhere awhile ago, but decided to repost it here...... Wink

https://www.radiodiaries.org/busmans-holiday/
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
. . . by the time that picture of a battered #1578 was snapped, MaBSTOA was know "running the show".

Most certainly, even though such buses looked sleek and modern when knew in the 1940's, they indeed looked quite dated by the time that the first Fishbowls began arriving.......

And in the case of the Surface rolling stock, "all washed up" in boxer's jargon.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
. . . by the time that picture of a battered #1578 was snapped, MaBSTOA was know "running the show".

Most certainly, even though such buses looked sleek and modern when knew in the 1940's, they indeed looked quite dated by the time that the first Fishbowls began arriving.......

And in the case of the Surface rolling stock, "all washed up" in boxer's jargon.


W.B.:

Can you imagine any of today's mutant caterpillars or milk cartons taking the beating those old SURFACE buses took and STILL manage to run, after so many years?? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

"NYO"

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I know I certainly can't! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"THE OLD LEADING THE NEW" (late 1940's)

In this snowy scene from long-ago, we see an elderly TARS streetcar leading a new SURFACE bus........

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ottomatic77/6967311182/

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Can you imagine any of today's mutant caterpillars or milk cartons taking the beating those old SURFACE buses took and STILL manage to run, after so many years?? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

"NYO"

["RIDE THE SURFACE WAY"]

I know I certainly can't! Rolling Eyes

I know what you mean, but . . . although the Old Looks were tough as you-know-what, Surface with their particular practices took everything to a particular extreme that was almost self-parodic. (It was noted that NYCO's maintenance practices were somewhere in-between the immaculate care of FACCo's fleet and the letting-it-all-go Surface's.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Good point.

Some companies managed to keep their fleets in pretty decent shape, despite the wear and tear of advancing years, while others, it seemed, simply "did not give a *%#@" ('nuff said)....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA's #2635, not long before retirement.

No advertising cards are carried, an empty sign box up front, and a scruffy-looking bumper...... Sad

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153792

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another one of those "Gee, it ain't gonna be long until the last Old Looks are gone" photos.

In 1972, we see "Tee-Yay" #7075 (a 1957 TDH-5106) awaiting the next run uptown.

Though in still decent-enough shape, note that the roller sign box is empty (you can just make out a cardboard sign in the right-hand windshield.

When this early-1970's photo was taken, the 7000-series had then been in service for 15-odd years......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154821

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though these work-weary, battle-scarred MaBSTOA Old Looks were not long OOS when these 1970 photos were taken, it's clear that these old "tanks" had not received much in the way of TLC, during their last few years in service......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153790

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153835

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