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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Here is an excellent and detailed page on the BMT's now -decaying Chambers St. station.....
www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/chambers.html
Until the Nassau Street Loop opened in 1931, this massive station was a terminal facility for several busy BMT lines; prior to 1920, there was also a connection that allowed LIRR MP-41's to also use this station, for Rockaway service.
This monolithic, echoing station saw many BMT routes over the decades that no longer exist today, or, have been greatly altered.
This huge station, indeed, has a quite fascinating history, one that should not be ignored....
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting to note that it was Boston, and not New York, that boasted the first subway in the United States.
This, of course, was the Tremont St. Subway (part of today's Green Line), used by streetcars, which opened in 1987.
Too, rapid transit trains were operating under the streets of Boston in 1901, three years before the first section of the INTERBOROUGH opened; in that year, Main Line El trains began operating in the Tremont St. Subway.....
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:10 am Post subject: |
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The H&M (Hudson Tubes/PATH) are, indeed, "kissin' cousins" with the IRT, with their short, narrow roller stock and often tight clearances.
Too, think of the LIRR and the original INTERBOROUGH; the earliest INTERBOROUGH subway cars were virtually identical to the LIRR's original MU's, the MP-41's; indeed, as I mentioned earlier, for a brief time, the LIRR's Rockaway trains used the BRT (via a connection in Brooklyn) to enter Manhattan, terminating at the new Chambers Street station.
Imagine if the original IRT subways had been built to the dimensions of the BRT/BMT; think of the operational flexibilty, and the many services that could have been provided, if ALL the subways had been been built to the BRT/BMT/IND dimensions.
Think of a TOTALLY unified system, with all rolling stock of the same dimension; imagine INTERBOROUGH trains serving Coney Island and Canarsie?
Imagine steel BRT/BMT trains traveling the Flushing line to Main St, instead of the shorter, narrower IRT equipment?
Recall, also, that the Steinway tunnels were, in fact, designed to handle streetcars, which, of course, precluded the use of longer, wider equipment.
Interesting, indeed, to ponder "what if"......
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:57 am Post subject: |
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.......in discussing the subways, it is interesting to note that, at two locations in Manhattan, streetcars from Queens and Brooklyn terminated at underground stations.
B&QT streetcars utilized the multi-loop terminal at Delancey St. until the late 1940's; this busy facility served several busy Brooklyn streetcar lines (these car lines utilized trackage on the Willy B)
At the foot of the Queensboro Bridge, QB Ry. cars also terminated underground; in later years, STEINWAY buses also used this underground station.
The QB Ry cars (the last trolley line in the city and in the state) made their final runs in 1957.......
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Recall, also, that Park Row, Delancey St. and the QB Ry (the latter two being underground terminals) were the only three locations in the borough of Manhattan where overhead trolley wires were permitted.......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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With summer now here, thoughts turn back many decades, to the long-ago days when open cars and convertibles were commonplace sights in and around New York.
The earliest Brooklyn open cars were single-truck, 8-bench cars.
The newer, double-truck cars had 13 benches.
Brooklyn's open cars last ran during the summer of 1932; the B&QT's fabled convertibles lasted well into the late 1940's.
The BRT/BMT once rostered a large fleet of convertible elevated cars; the very last ran in 1958, replaced by "Q" cars on the Myrtle Avenue El....
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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In this 1946 view, we see elderly B&QT convertible #4192, nearing the Park Row terminal; note the PCC heading back to Brooklyn on the right.
By this late date, the BMT elevated trains were no longer running over the Brooklyn Bridge, and the streetcars had been shifted over to the former El tracks, to allow for additional vehicular lanes.....
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117639
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Interestingly, PSNJ built a group of one-man open cars in 1916 and 1917; these were arch roof cars (4100 series), and were most unusual in that they were single-ended, and had screened-in sides.
These unique cars utilized front entrance/exit doors, and lacked the reversible benches and running boards that were typical on open cars of that era.
Though PS retired their "standard" double-ended open cars about 1926, the 4100-series open cars remained in service until 1937, primarily on Newark-area lines......
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:35 am Post subject: |
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While on the subject of open streetcars, perhaps the most long-lived (and best known) of the old open cars were those rostered by CONNECTICUT COMPANY.
This elderly fleet survived through 1947; the reason that these old cars had not been retired years before because of the massive crowds they carried during the Yale Bowl football games.
The cars would be beyond jam-packed; many football fans would ride on the roofs of the cars, shoulder-to-shoulder!
There were interesting variations to these cars; some had deck roofs, while others had railroad roofs.
Others sported large, roof-mounted roller sign boxes at each end.
Thankfully, several of these wonderful, handsome old cars are today preserved......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?10976
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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