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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are several old views of the massive and complex Sands Street station at the Brooklyn end of the Brooklyn Bridge; this huge, cabernous, multi-modal facility served not only BRT/BMT El trains, but also, B&QT streetcars.

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?52494

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?52010

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?113235

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?116186

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?113238

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

Note the elevated loop; this enabled certain inbound trains to head back to Brooklyn without having to cross the Bridge to Park Row.

Hard to believe not a trace remains of this huge facility and its complex infrastructure today......

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we see a 6000-series single-ended Peter Witt crossing the Brooklyn Bridge (running on the "FULTON" line), with the BMT el tracks to the right.

After the El trains stopped running over the BB in 1944, the streetcars were switched over to the former El trackage, to allow the former streetcar ROW to be converted into an additional vehicular lane.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117858

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1949, one year prior the the abandonment of streetcar service over the Brooklyn Bridge, we see a PCC swinging off the former BMT El trackage, now the exclusive ROW for the streetcars.

When the El trains stopped running over the span, the third rail and signals were removed, and the trolley wires shifted over to the former El tracks.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7789

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an 8000-series Peter Witt at the Brooklyn end of the Brooklyn Bridge; again, the heavy steel girderwork (used as trolley wire guides) are quite prominent in this view.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140937

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While the PCC cars were sleek and modern, to my eye, they were more like a bus, while the older cars, with double ends and doors on both sides were more "railroad train" like...
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
While the PCC cars were sleek and modern, to my eye, they were more like a bus, while the older cars, with double ends and doors on both sides were more "railroad train" like...


traildriver:

Funny you mention this; when the PCC's first debuted, many streetcar buffs either loved them or hated them, saying that "they looked too much like a bus".

The postwar PCC's (which, of course, never ran in Brooklyn) looked quite a bit like the Old Looks of that era, especially with their standee windows.

Me, well, I simply love ALL trolleys, PCC and/or non-PCC (the ugly, hideous, monstrous, light rail cars of today, looking more like giant caterpillars and/or oversized mutated insects, is ANOTHER story altogether!) Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Compare these two "portraits" of an Old Look and a postwar PCC (Philadelphia).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16837

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156659

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B&QT's unique (CLARK) #1000*, the only Brooklyn PCC to have with standee windows......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7679

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*Note, also, that the CLARK design was more angular in appearance than a "conventional" PCC......
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I like the look of the Clark car better than the St. Louis. Those double stream doors with the center divider's look like their BMT Standard's doors Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

You previously mentioned the doors on that CLARK car; check out these PCC doors from Chicago (some of these CTA PCC's operated with two-man crews).........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?14862

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49886

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
traildriver:

You previously mentioned the doors on that CLARK car; check out these PCC doors from Chicago (some of these CTA PCC's operated with two-man crews).........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?14862

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49886

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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Wow! That would sure speed up busy stops... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly!! Wink

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compare these "cockpit" area photos of PCC's from LA and Brooklyn (note the turnstile in the Brooklyn car).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94506

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?66464

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

{"Los Angeles Railways"]
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Compare these "cockpit" area photos of PCC's from LA and Brooklyn (note the turnstile in the Brooklyn car).......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94506

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?66464

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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Nice shots...

Not much of a "cockpit". I haven't seen the operator's compartment in a long time. Not much instrumentation, is there? I suppose an air gauge and perhaps an ammeter?
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For comparison, here is the motorman's "station" at the front of a restored CCo car up at Shore line; this arrangement was typical of streetcars of that era.......

https:///www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?53133

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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