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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Park Row & Beekman, 1969.
Note "regular" reading displayed on #6870's front sign, while offside rear sign reads "SPECIAL".
Also, note the rear advertising card for "ZORBA"/"CABARET"/"FIDDLER ON THE ROOF".......
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155588
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To my knowledge, there was never an updated insert to MaBSTOA's batwing side signs printed up upon the demise of the 2 Fifth-Madison-Lenox line and the launch of 101A. Many batwings that served on that line had either 'SPECIAL', '101 3rd-LEX-AMST AVES' and, in one pic taken that year, '2 5th & MADISON VIA LENOX'! I doubt OA had new batwing side signs printed past the sets made for the then-new A/C batwings in December 1966. A shame, given how in the outer boroughs there were batwing side signs for 'Tee-Yay' routes with dates like 1971. There should have been a '101A 3rd-LEX-LENOX AVES' indicator there on the sides, for sure, as there was on the non-batwings (I seem to remember non-batwing side signs were updated around 1971 upon the creation of the M23X express route).
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Broadway & Chambers, 1972*.
Here, #6747's front curtain reads: "6 to SOUTH FERRY", while the rear offside sign only shows a "6", as if the rest of the curtain had been removed....
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155622
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*The "Tee-Yay" inspector/dispatcher (or whatever) seems to be in deep concentration of some sort. |
Sounds like it was cut because it was the 'wrong' 6 (i.e. the one with '72 STREET CROSSTOWN' indicated). At one time or another the 54th Street depot was home to both 6's - even after the 72nd Street one was renumbered M30 in 1974. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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W.B.:
....let me just say that the "rollsign guys", back in the day, MORE than had their work cut out for them! 
Until I had joined this board nearly 15 years ago, I had not the slightest inkling of the vast complexities involving the rollsigns that were once carried by "Tee-Yay"/MaBSTOA buses, let alone the many route changes, cutbacks, etc., which took place over the years.
Personally, I still lament the eventual discontinuance of the rear sign; they added that little bit "extra" to the overall look of the buses themselves; in any event, I really missed them when they disappeared altogether.
Ditto the the PS/TNJ buses; I had no idea, back then, when batwing buses were going to be retired, and, it seemed, one fine day, I saw they were all gone. 
Again, I always greatly appreciate your always educational and greatly-enlightening input........ 
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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Circa-early 1970's, we see #8103 departing the former BMT station at Rockaway Parkway (note the prewar IND cars in the background, which had replaced, for a time, the venerable "Standards" on the 14th St. line, then designated the "LL")
Note that the rear batwing sign is blank; bus was holding down a schedule on the "42 to BELT PARKWAY".......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154897
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Undated (1970's-era) photo taken at the Crosstown Depot; also, in the background, you'll see a non-batwing Fishbowl still sporting the classic "Tee-Yay" green and script lettering.
Note, also, that the bus that was the the photographer's subject (#8075) is here sporting the newer, lower-case signage up front, while retaining the older "all caps" style at the rear......
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154874
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Besides the bus (note blank rear offiside sign), there is much "street nostalgia" to be seen in this vintage 1971 photo, snapped at Nostrand & Avenue H.......
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154890
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A timeless "doubleheader" at Jay & Myrtle, back in 1972 (first generation Fishbowl #650 on the left).....
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154873
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Central Park West & 65th St., 1972.
Here's #8170, displaying an empty rear (nearside) sign box.....
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154907
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Rockaway Parkway station, 1971; note both modern and elderly subway equipment in the background (BMT "LL" 14th St. line).......
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