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October 31, 1956: An Era Ends In Brooklyn
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W. B. Fishbowl makes mention of the buses acquired from Mack when Surface Transportation defaulted on their payments.

I believe that the Board of Transportation bought about 115 buses from the 300 order. They were fleet numbers 5000-5114 and they were model C-45 of 1948.

Here are two photos showing the buses, still in Surface colors minus their "Ride the Surface Way" slogan in the parking lot of the Flushing Depot (now the Casey Stengle Depot). The emblem under the driver's window is the Board of Transportation logo.

That is the Flushing/#7 elevated with Lo-Vs and in the distance you can see Twin Coach buses, ex-North Shore ready for scrapping.

The book by Guy E. Martin has the first photo on page 42 however, it does not allude to the BOT or the Flushing Depot



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a magnificent plethora of classic buses.....truly sobering to think that not a one of those handsome MACKS survives today (at least, a few Lo-V's are still with us today)......

GREAT photos, as always.....thanks for sharing..... Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number 5114, a Mack C-45, originally ordered by Surface Transportation, now part of the Board of Transportation on route M-13.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a truly fascinating panoramic view (1930's) of the area surrounding the BMT's elevated Atlantic Avenue station (the bus on the right looked QUITE dated, even then!) Wink

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?114240

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like that Brooklyn Bus #337 used the same numerals as the B&QT PCC's and Peter Witts, given how it was all in the BMT family (along with the Canarsie line above).

As for #5114 on M-13, this appears to have been taken before the June 1951 one-way conversions of First and Second Avenues - yet, in spite of 'M-15 First and Second Avenues Line" appearing on "Tee-Yay" transfers as early as their 1953 beginnings, not until the 7000-series Shermans began appearing in 1957 (quite a few of them on key Manhattan Bus Division routes) that front roll signs of 'Tee-Yay' routes were so updated (and M-13 listed as 'Journal Building').
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

........speaking of Brooklyn streetcars, it is interesting to think about former streetcar routes being converted to buses; with the exception of the PCC's and the 6000's, the bulk of the B&QT streetcar fleet were double-ended.

I can see replacement buses utilizing former streetcar loops to reverse direction; however, on lines where double-ended cars (like the 8000's) simply ended their runs at stub terminals, did the buses simply make a U-turn, or, did they need to use an adjacent side street to reverse direction?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1920, through BRT train service from Manhattan to the Canarsie Pier ended; at the Rockaway Parkway station, a new loop was built for the streetcars, which were assigned to a new shuttle between the Rockaway Parkway BRT/BMT station and the Canarsie Pier.

Shuttle streetcar service ended in 1951 (according to nycsubway.org, the "B42" buses replaced the streetcars)

These Rockaway Parkway terminal (bus) photos date from the early 1970's and early 1980's; note the old BRT line poles still intact, now supporting street lamps........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153366

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154925

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155228

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These two photos recall the days when B&QT streetcars connected with BMT trains at Rockaway Parkway..............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117683

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117689

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
These two photos recall the days when B&QT streetcars connected with BMT trains at Rockaway Parkway..............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117683

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117689

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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Both numbers (and the font used to spell them out) later recycled for two of the first set of MaBSTOA "Dangerfields" of 1969-70.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two views of the long-forgotten Canarsie shuttle, replaced by buses in 1951........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117688

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117691

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two views of the trolley-era Canarsie Shore terminal and loop.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117677

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117680

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After streetcar shuttle service at Rockaway Parkway* ended, a new bus loop was built (fenced off from the street) to allow free transfer between the subway and the buses; this RTS-era photo dates back to 2011...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?126593

*(Note the old BRT line poles are still intact on the right, supporting modern street lighting!)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canarsie shuttle trivia..........

In 1927, eight 3900-series deck roof B&QT streetcars were rebuilt into single-ended, one-man, non-convertible cars for service on the aforementioned shuttle........

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This (undated) photo at the De Kalb shops (closed to streetcars in 1949) is quite interesting; you MAY have to squint a bit, but, in the far background (at right) you will just glimpse the front of a new B&QT trolleybus.

Prior to entering revenue service, the postwar trolleybuses were tested at the De Kalb shops; the electric coaches underwent testing with one pole raised and a "power clip" to one of the streetcar rails.

After the trolleybuses arrived at the 39th St. yard of the South Brooklyn Railway, they were towed to the De Kalb shops for testing, prior to being "fitted out" for revenue service.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117659

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In discussing former Brooklyn trolley lines being replaced by buses 9regarding routing); in most (but not all) cases the buses simply ran along the same thoroughfares as did the streetcars.

However, it was quite a different scenario, when it came to buses replacing streetcars whose routes involved sections of private ROW.

The foll,owing is from :"NEW YORK TRANSIT MEMORIES" (Smith).........

"......the first buses to replace the "FLUSHING-RIDGEWOOD" streetcars in July of 1949 were TWIN COACHES......."

"........the line was renamed "58-CORONA", and its route involved zigzagging on narrow streets running diagonally to the old trolley right of way......"

Recall, also, the B&QT's Norton's Point line, which operated on substantial private trackage, whose easternmost terminal was an elevated structure at the old Stillwell Avenue terminal, affording direct connections to the BMT trains......

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