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Old Look Twilight on 5th Avenue
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
"TWILIGHT:1970"........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153798

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West Farms depot?

But this reminded me of the last years of the venerable RTS's, where they were relegated to routes in "poor" neighborhoods while the wealthier ones got the newer models.


Though this ex-MaBSTOA Old Look has clearly been retired for some while, it's obvious that, during its last service year, upkeep wasn't all that highlighted.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153835

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"LONG IN THE TOOTH"

(it's obvious that these buses* had not been "pampered" as they were when they were new models; after all, they'd soon be meeting the torch) Sad

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https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?153797

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*When these photos were snapped, were only Old Looks serving these lines?

What replaced them? (Fishbowls or Flex New Looks)

As this was 1970, these Old Looks were supplements; both lines (#3 Fifth-St. Nicholas/Convent and #5 Fifth-Riverside Drive) had the newer Fishbowls within the four orders to GM between 1963 and 1967 (the more recent up to this point being the A/C Batwings)**. But weren't these buses or their brethren, by year's end, "exiled" to Brooklyn for 'Tee-Yay' service?

** The only Flx New Looks up to this point in MaBSTOA's itinerary were in two of the Bronx depots, with a few doing service on routes to upper Manhattan (i.e. the Bx-29). MaBSTOA wouldn't get newer Fishbowls at that time point until early 1973, with the first 20 only going in Manhattan to the new Hudson depot, as did all 62 of the 1974 Flx New Looks built for 'OA'; other Manhattan depots wouldn't get newer buses until the 1975 bunch.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

As always, appreciate the info; always makes for a VERY interesting read! Wink

Pre-Fishbowls, the BoT, "Tee-Yay", etc, were ordering buses from two builders, GM and MACK.

By the 1960's, the "Tee-Yay" (and later, the MTA) were again ordering buses from two builders, this time, GM and Flex.

Here, the fleet remained pretty well "locked up" between the two makes, until the first GRUMMANS appeared, later in the 1970's.......

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Here are a few pics of Old Looks operating in Brooklyn, in 1970......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154813

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154956

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154650

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154652

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154653

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Park Row & Beekman, 1971

Something is clearly going on in this photo; note the two NYPD cars (classics!) parked behind Old Look#7143*.

Also, note the barricades and people gathering in the background (note the Flex in the right background).....

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*The TDH-5106 7000-7208 series were built in 1957
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Park Row & Beekman, 1971

Something is clearly going on in this photo; note the two NYPD cars (classics!) parked behind Old Look#7143*.

Also, note the barricades and people gathering in the background (note the Flex in the right background).....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154652

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*The TDH-5106 7000-7208 series were built in 1957

Given that neither the 1964 nor 1965 Flxies saw any long-term service on Manhattan routes (one claimed to have seen one '60's Flx running at one point on the M-15 First & Second Avenues route), one wonders if it was a B-15 Manhattan Bridge run . . . and if any of the '65 order had a certain amount earmarked for the MAN depot "at the time," would any have been fitted with 'batwings'? (As the last 200 of the GM Fishbowls built in 1965-66 for MaBSTOA were.)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Park Row & Beekman, 1971

Something is clearly going on in this photo; note the two NYPD cars (classics!) parked behind Old Look#7143*.

Also, note the barricades and people gathering in the background (note the Flex in the right background).....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154652

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*The TDH-5106 7000-7208 series were built in 1957


I was a student as Pace College at that time. The college was across the street from City Hall Park. There were demonstrations in the Park almost daily protesting one thing or another. My hunch is that the two police cars were there to control whatever protest was happening at that moment
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hart Bus:

As there were so many protests in New York back then (especially around the City Hall area) you are probably right on the mark, here.

Many times, in viewing old photos/footage of those protests, you often catch a glimpse of a few buses......

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This 1972 photo (Broadway & Park Row) is one of my all-time favorite "Tee-Yay" Old Look shots! Very Happy

Here we see Old Look #7075, awaiting passengers (this 1957 TDH-5106 was 15 years old, when this "portrait" was taken; Your's Truly hails from that same year!)

Note, also, the "old-school "Tee-Yay" man, the old "BUS STOP" sign, and, in the background, the rising towers of the late, great WTC (RIP)

Note that #7075 is sporting an empty sign box (you can see the bulbs that would normally illuminate the roller curtain)

Another Old Look is right behind #7075; a Fishbowl is barely visible behind the second Old Look......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154821

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Look twilight in Brooklyn (1972)

I'm wondering if these buses had run in Brooklyn seen they were new, or, had they been exiled from Manhattan routes after new buses began arriving in the 1960's......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154825

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154815

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's two views of 4000-series 4510's/5101's......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156613

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156614

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I've seen photos of these buses running in Brooklyn; did any of this series ever operate in other boroughs?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W. 32nd St., 1955; here we have FACCo Old Look #2281, awaiting the next run, with the late, great Penn Station looming majestically in the background, to the west.

Also note the once-commonplace "SHELTER" sign........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156963

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here, at the Queens Village station, two Old Looks (TDH-5106's, built 1957) are seen awaiting their respective departure times.

These buses were (according to "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT SYSTEM: BUS & TROLLEY COACH FLEET", by James Clifford Greller) these were the first "Tee-Yay" purchased to be furnished with pink fiberglass seats.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154833

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Look #9117 looks a mite lonely, at this deserted scene snapped at Dahill and Cortlelyou, back in 1969.

At the time of this photo, #9117 was but 11 years old, but, as the Old Look design became suddenly "old school", once the Fishbowls began arriving, buses such as this looked decidedly older than they actually were.

Only one year separated the newest Old Looks from the first Fishbowls, but, as was obvious, transit bus design had drastically changed, in just a few years.

I've read that these buses operated in both Brooklyn and in Staten Island, but, no mention of the series (TDH-5106) operating on Manhattan routes......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154956

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