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The New York "bit players" we tend to ignore......
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

59th & Park Avenue, 1981.........

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1142

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

34th & 2nd, 1971.............

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1171

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* A lot of great old Noo Yawk"street nostalgia" here; note the old "RADIO-HiFi SERVICE store (phone MU-4 1695!)

Note, too, that cool "Brady Bunch" station wagon...... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few colorful "hack" images from 1962's "BON VOYAGE!"

These photos nostalgically recall not only the halcyon days of "rainbow" cabs in "Noo Yawk", but also, when the great transatlantic liners still called at the echoing old piers, the embarkation point for so many stylish, elegant crossings, back in the day........

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_450816-Checker-Taxicab-A9-1959.html

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_450820-Ford-Custom-73B-1949.html

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Date this nostalgic scene to 1979*.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3182

*Your's Truly was then only working in Lower Manhattan for only several months! Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one element behind one of the many "bit players" seen in many a bus photo over the years, especially those taken in and around the Times Square area. It is also to keep this pic alive, as it was once in a series of posts on the Signs Of The Times website, but no longer as those posts were deleted. This was a perforator made by Naxon Telesign of Chicago, of the type that controlled the zippers atop the Bond Clothes store on Broadway between 44th and 45th Streets from 1958 until the Times Square store shut down in 1977, and more significantly, the first controller of the Mk II Zipper around what was then called the Allied Chemical Tower starting in 1965.

There were 44 alphanumeric characters offered by Naxon Telesign; 'I' and 'O' were doubled as 1 and 0, respectively. (Seems Trans-Lux' controls, which were on most zippers after World War II, had less characters, namely ~40.) They were:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
$ ? . , " - ' : / █

They offered two different font variants, which will be shown in the next post.

If anyone knows the order of the characters on the keyboard, please let us know. The photo is too small to pinpoint where the letters, numbers, etc., were positioned.



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(The perforator wheel, which consisted of the various shapes of the letters and numerals and characters, was inside that round mechanism in back of the keyboard.)

All variants are shown in the 5 x 7 vein. The first is the one used in the 1950's, and mostly seen on the Bond zipper from 1958 to early 1967 and again from early 1971 to 1977. The second was created for the likes of the Allied Chemical Tower zipper (which was in an 11-row high array, and one column in a 5 x 7 mode was stretched to two columns) and was also seen on the Bond zipper from 1967 to late 1970 and again in alternation with the boxier font from the second half of 1976 to 1977.



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some cities also had vans with Telesign zippers on top branded as "News Cruisers." Most used the old font, but the one at top right had the newer variant ('DO IT NOW').


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here's a picture of a bus (more specifically, A/C batwing 'Fishbowl' #8764 running on route M-7) travelling thru the area while the Bond zipper with Naxon Telesign's blocky, squarish font on display was travelling thru:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?156211

(courtesy nycsubway.org)

That zipper originally consisted of a total of 6,944 bulbs (496 columns x 14 rows); by the time of that picture it was down to 5,950 bulbs (425 columns x 14 rows - 38 rows deactivated on the 44th Street side as shown here, 33 rows deactivated on 45th Street, all to make room for the blurb for the Mutual Broadcasting System with the font left over from when 3M owned what branded itself as the "World's Largest Network," starting around November 1965. (And like the Fishbowls, Mutual Radio itself is likewise no more.)

Incidentally, and based on ads I saw in 1957 issues of Signs of the Times magazine, looks like the zipper used A15 bulbs.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

GREATLY APPRECIATE these photos, info, and links.......indeed, truly FASCINATING (to say the least!)....thanks for taking the time to post! Wink

Speaking of the old "zipper" sign on the old Times building, you can see a VERY realistic rendition of it (in animated form) in the 1950's "Popeye" cartoon, "POPEYE FOR PRESIDENT".

The news flickering over the "zipper" gives the latest election results of the presidential race between Popeye and Bluto.

The music that is heard while the sign flashes its message truly is "in sync" with the sign itself; look closely, and you can even spot an IRT kiosk at street level!

As the PARAMOUNT/FAMOUS STUDIO cartoons were made in New York in the 40's and 50's, it is no wonder that "Noo Yawk" was represented (and spoofed!) quite often by this studio!

From my youngest days, I was always greatly intrigued by this now-gone, iconic sign, that should have been declared a landmark.......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And another "bit player" in the Times Square area we once took for granted but has been all but replaced by the soulless LED displays - Douglas Leigh's EPOK in daytime, with the time display highlighting Bulova's Accutron (they were on the EPOK beginning in fall 1964, the clock accompanying it first put up around September 1965 - both Bulova and that clock lasted there through early 1976) - with #5328 running on #6 to South Ferry whizzing by:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?155009

I think I mentioned that the EPOK array was 76 x 54, only with the last four rows deactivated in this period to make room for the clock - which display arrangement was long a favorite of mine (and had a sister clock outside the watch store on 34th Street and Seventh Avenue until about a decade ago). This type display was once ubiquitous across the country, but very few exist today (the ex-Watchtower complex in Brooklyn, the AXA Towers in Syracuse - the clock on the ex-MONY building on Broadway was ruined by the add-on of more mechanical-looking numerals on what in early literature was dubbed the "jump clock" at the base of the "weather star" atop that building).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Agreed; today's humongous LED displays (and I HATE those huge giant TV screen-type ads!) can, in no way, replace the gaudy, electrifying, exciting atmosphere of the TSQ area that we all took for granted.

Being only a 15-minute NHBL (#5) bus ride away from TSQ, back in the early 60's, my folks, two older brothers (who were still at home but, by then, working) and Your's Truly) would catch a # 5 and then, tale a walk up bustling 42nd St. (ALWAYS a lot of buses!!) and simply enjoy the noise, the hustle-and-bustle, and flashing lights (back then, in the pre-"peep show" era, there were many arcades, souvenier shops, and hot dog/hamburger stands.....NEDICKS was always my favorite, especially those in the subway!)

It was a BIG thrill just to stand in the middle of TSQ, and feel a part of the Greatest Show On Earth! Very Happy

By about 1970, things were going downhill, and more and more "adult" emporiums began taking over; far too many seedy characters were now making inroads into the "Crossroads Of The World".

Not surprisingly, after I grew up, I avoided the area like the plague, save, of course, for the subways.

Ironically, in a late-1940's sci-fi novel "THE BIG EYE", which opens in New York in 1960 on the eve of nuclear war with the Soviets (just prior to the discovery of a huge planet heading on a destructive path to Earth) there are several mentions of a huge television screen in TSQ, replacing the old CAMEL cigarette sign (I well remember that sign!) If only the author were alive today, and see what TSQ is like today!

Take me back to 1962, anyday......... Wink

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