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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Though the mighty "Red Car" (PE) was, in many respects, the "Holy Grail" of interurbans to traction buffs of that era, the sprawling rail system also had much to interest bus enthusiasts, as is witnessed by this timeless LA street scene from long ago......
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/pe/htm/pe546.htm
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John Roth
Age: 72 Joined: 06 Jul 2013 Posts: 49 Location: Pasadena Md
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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NYO and all. When I was a kid growing up in Baltimore the shoulder patch of both streetcar and bus drivers was a combination of a PCC towards the top and a GM old look towards the bottom. I thought it was sharp and to this day have been unable to find one.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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John Roth wrote: | NYO and all. When I was a kid growing up in Baltimore the shoulder patch of both streetcar and bus drivers was a combination of a PCC towards the top and a GM old look towards the bottom. I thought it was sharp and to this day have been unable to find one.
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Hey, John:
You just reminded me of the old ALMAGATED TRANSIT UNION stickers that used to adorn the windows of NJ buses, back in my day.
The ones I remember were red, white, and blue, and featured a bus (to me, it reminded me of a WHITE), and a PCC.
I haven't seen one of these in many years.
Also, when NJT was still operating the old Flex METROS, they were using a black-on-white "WATCH YOUR STEP" warning sign in the stepwells that were the same as those being used on the PSNJ trolleys (and buses) since the 1930's!
That's a pretty long stretch!
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, John:
This rare view from 1963 shows BTC PCC's and Fishbowls in brief co-existance; BTC operators were being trained on the new buses, which would replace the last streetcars running on the #8 and the #15, late in the year......
"NYO"
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/btc/htm/btc116.htm
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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The ever-bustling 69th St. terminal (Upper Darby), for generations, was a mecca for both rail and bus enthusiasts.
This busy scene from 1962 exemplifies this to a "T".........
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?78225
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Another classic image from Philly (1964)
Without a doubt, the PCC and GM's Old Look represented two of the most timeless designs to ever evolve in transit vehicles......
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118443
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Baltimore's BTC operated trolley buses through the 1950's.
As I had mentioned earlier here, such vehicles held the interest of both bus and "juice" buffs.
This tough-looking BRILL (#2155) is seen hard at work on the streets of the Monumental City (Gilmore & Fayette)......
http://www.trolleybuses.net/bal/htm/usa_h_bal_brill_2155_rt1gilmorefayette_195609_jt.htm
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Runcutter
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Carrollton, Texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Bus fans Vs. "Juice" fans (a few observations) |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Fellows:
While today's equipment (IMHO) will never have the appeal that the older generation of vehicle had, the hobby is still one that will always provide tremendous interest to its followers.......
"NYO" |
NYO, good points made. I started in the business with GM old looks, but remember riding ACF/Brill C-36's as a kid. My library & models are a mixture of rail, trolley, and bus -- with some airlines thrown in. As I roam the country consulting with transit systems, my thought is the same as your comment -- that today's equipment is not as interesting - boxy buses with limited style, no PCC's, and virtually no first-generation diesels with EMD 567's anywhere. I fly a lot, and never thought much about Boeing 727's, but I sure miss them now.
However, one thing I've realized, is that the buses we see today are, or will be, someone's equivalent of a GM TDH-4512, MBTA PCC Car, or GP-7 or GP-9. I've seen some articles in the hobby press (primarily Trains) that make the point that there's something for every generation -- so our hobby can continue.
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Arthur:
Great to have you hop aboard!
I can easily identify with your post....it all rings so true!
Growing up in the early and mid-1960's, one could still go out to the old Newark Airport and see classic propliners such as the DC-6 and Lockheed Constellation, side-by-side with sleek new 727's and 707's.
You could go down to the 1907 DL&W (by then, Erie-Lackawanna) terminal in Hoboken (via the long-gone PSNJ #17 bus) and savor first generation diesels in all their smoking, chanting, bleating, growling, oily glory, displaying a variety of color schemes, passenger equipment that pre-dated the FIRST World War, as well as being able to enjoy a short cruise across the Hudson via a 1900's-vintage, coal-burning ferryboat.
Heavyweight ex-DL&W 1930-era MU trains whisked suited commuters back and forth from Hoboken out to the suburbs.
If you wanted to cross UNDER the Hudson, ancient H&M "Tube" cars (then operated by PATH) dating back to 1909 were ready to whisk you under the river to Manhattan, accompanied by humming motors, growling gears, and chuckling compressors.
Those old cars had a distinct personality about them, unlike today's bland equipment, which have about as much charm as a toaster, and whose stark interiors are about as inviting as a doctor's waiting room!
If trolleys were your thing, you had 30 ex-TCRT PCC's running on the Newark City Subway......how we then took PCC's (and so much else) for granted!
Bus-wise, as a boy, we could ride mid/late-1930's buses (such as MACKS and TWINS) that were still rumbling along for the old area 'indy" companies, well into the 1960's.
Seeing (and riding aboard) your first Fishbowl was indeed an experience.......its startling, futuristic styling was right in sync with the then-current era of TV's "The Jetson's" and the World's Fair of 1964/65.
When we went to visit my aunt in West Orange, Mom and I rode out on De Camp's old #22, aboard a big GM or on a handsome ACF-BRILL C-44.
I grew up with YELLOWS, WHITES, MACKS, GM's, and ACF-Brills.......at one time, thery seemed so commonplace.......who amongst us could have seen through to a future time, when the only ones remaining would be in museums or private collections?
Your collection reminds me so much of my own.....a lot of everything transport related!
When I look at my collection of vintage toy buses, it never ceases to amaze me as to the near-endless variety of what was available, 50-odd years ago......I must have at least 50 or so variations on the SCENICRUISER alone!
When the GRUMMANS and METROS first arrived on the scene, I HATED them, as they spelled doom for the oldest Fishbowls in my area, as well as for the few remaining Old Looks, then still soldiering on.
It wasn't until much later that I started to appreciate them....and....all to soon.....they too, disappeared.....just like the Old Looks and Fishbowls before them.
Yes......one day.....today's humdrum coaches and rolling stock will be regarded in the same nostalgic light as we "old timers" today look upon the classic buses of our youth.
Ahhh, dang it...I feel so old now!
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Mr. Linsky BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 5071 Location: BRENTWOOD, CA. - WOODMERE, N.Y.
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:40 am Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Though the mighty "Red Car" (PE) was, in many respects, the "Holy Grail" of interurbans to traction buffs of that era, the sprawling rail system also had much to interest bus enthusiasts, as is witnessed by this timeless LA street scene from long ago......
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/pe/htm/pe546.htm
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629,
Great find deserving of a few comments;
# 2517, a very interesting and extremely rare coach, is a 1941 45 passenger Yellow Coach Model TD (Hydraulic transmission) 4505 and one of thirty-five likenesses numbered 2500 to 2534 operating for the Pacific Electric Railway Company of Los Angeles, California and delivered in December of that year.
These coaches, which were bought and configured specifically for new interurban routes that would have been too expensive to electrify, featured single doors, high back seats on platforms, parcel racks and drop sash windows
Due to war time material shortages, the early 4505's were the last to see stainless steel wings and badges under their windshield until the ThermoMatic era mid 1946 models were introduced.
Credit within frame
Regards,
Mr. 'L'
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Mr. L":
As usual, your contribution of historical data is most welcome.......thank you!
Ironically, within the pages of "WELCOME ABOARD THE GM NEW LOOK BUS" (McKane/Squier), there is a photo of a TD-4505, owned by METROPOLITAN COACH LINES (#2500)
According to the photo caption, #2500 represented "a pre WW2 YELLOW COACH suburban-style bus".
As I had stated earlier, though the PE was a massive rail system, beloved of "juice buffs", it, nonetheless, also provided interest to the bus fans of the day..........something for everyone!
Those were indeed the days......
"NYO" |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: |
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The PE station at Beverly Hills was once an important rail/bus transfer point
In her heartwarming memoir, "ONE MORE TIME", beloved comedienne Carol Burnett describes weekend trips from Hollywood to visit her Dad, who then lived in Santa Monica.
She describes how she and her best pal Illomay would ride the "red streetcar" out to the Beverly Hills station, where her dad would meet them.
There, they'd transfer to the bus for the trip into Santa Monica.
(Carol and her eccentric, loving grandmother "Nanny" spent a lot of their time "transferring from one bus to another, two or three times a week", to visit LA relatives on the other side of town)
This great old photo shows us a handsome PE "Hollywood" car, the magnificent PE station, and a stalwart GM, awaiting the next carload of transferring passengers.......
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/pe/htm/pe495.htm
(courtesy newdavesrailpix)
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